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Extreme Hybinos?

exposito Aug 10, 2008 12:27 PM

This clutch is almost out with one Tricolor Hypo being the exception. We got a nice Extreme and 4 Albinos. Some of them may be Hybinos. There is one pictured with the Extreme that looks very pale and very much like a Hybino. There were also a few Hets in the group. The father is an Albino Het Hypo and the mother is an Extreme Het Albino and Aneryhtristic. The male did not prove out to be Het Anerythristic, but the mother who is also the mother of our Extreme Ghost is now proven to be a Double Het. Here are few pics of the clutch.

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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Replies (33)

latin1956 Aug 10, 2008 01:07 PM

Very nice indeed!!!
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Thomas Sierra

exposito Aug 10, 2008 06:36 PM

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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

shannon brown Aug 10, 2008 01:34 PM

Very awesome Joe. It is cool seeing a extreme right next to a tangerine albino in a clutch.
Great stuff man.

L8r

exposito Aug 10, 2008 06:41 PM

Hi Shannon,

We don't always agree on everything, but I think we can agree that the Hondurans are going to be a very interesting project for years to come.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

shannon brown Aug 10, 2008 09:16 PM

Yep, thats for sure man.The next corn snake for sure.LOL....

I can't even imagine what lies ahead of us.We are just scraping the surface now.

L8r

RandyWhittington Aug 10, 2008 04:11 PM

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Randy Whittington

exposito Aug 10, 2008 07:04 PM

Hi Randy,

I posted a pic of that VP female with her eggs last week. She had 7 good looking eggs. See you in about 11 days, who's counting.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

RandyWhittington Aug 10, 2008 10:26 PM

Yes I was trying to ignore it. I had the strange sensation of being depressed yet proud when I saw it. LOL
See ya soon.

DAYTONA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Randy Whittington

Dniles Aug 10, 2008 06:08 PM

Joe,

You're right, it does look a little bit lighter than the rest. Very nice clutch. That extreme is killer. Are your extremes from the Mega line or what line?

Dave

exposito Aug 10, 2008 07:19 PM

Hi Dave,

Both of the parents were produced by Terry Dunham, who also produced the stuff that produced Alloway's stuff that Terry now owns. So are they different lines? I don't know as of yet. We have snakes from Alloway, Lambert, and we are picking up some stuff from Terry M. in Daytona, so the next few years are going to be very interesting. The Extreme gene has never been fully understood, but maybe in time we will get a better grasp of what is going on with it. It should be fun.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

RG Aug 10, 2008 06:15 PM

you produced last year...is now 50% het Amel?!

Freakin GREAT Joe!

Congrats on that clutch...and that adult female you have is KILLER!

-Rusty

exposito Aug 10, 2008 07:22 PM

Hi Rusty,

Yes, and we are pretty happy about that. We have his sister, a Ghost Het Albino, and some Hypo Double Hets that should make for an interesting project.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

terrysxtreme Aug 10, 2008 06:37 PM

Joe don't you just love those type of clutches ,always exciting at hatch time ,very ,very nice looking group

Terry M

exposito Aug 10, 2008 07:24 PM

Hi Terry,

They are great to watch as they hatch for sure. See you soon!
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

SweeneysSerpents Aug 10, 2008 07:47 PM

Hey Joe,

You sure have produced mega-amounts of extremely nice snakes this year. keep up the good work.

Scott Sweeney
Sweeney's Serpents

exposito Aug 10, 2008 08:19 PM

Thanks bro!
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

terrysxtreme Aug 10, 2008 08:41 PM

Come on now Scott......

Terry M

Mega Man

SweeneysSerpents Aug 10, 2008 08:55 PM

Come on Terry, I apologized for hurting your feelings. You have my e-mail. Use it.

Scott Sweeney

DMong Aug 11, 2008 12:48 AM

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

charleshanklin Aug 11, 2008 01:22 PM

He is just being a Richard cranium. Nothing more, nothing less.
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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

terrysxtreme Aug 11, 2008 01:34 PM

Charlie ,when ya comming up ?

Terry M

charleshanklin Aug 11, 2008 01:45 PM

Very soon before the weekend.
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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

SweeneysSerpents Aug 12, 2008 09:17 PM

Hi Charley,

I will give you credit! At least you were a little more original at calling names than Shannon and some others here, yet I have not called anyone in here a name.... So I guess that says someting about you. I am guilty of being a little sarcastic and questioning the second coming of the honduran milk snake. Terry could have ended it by showing his research / proof and I would have been the first to congratulate him. Instead he was silent. It has been brought up by others not just me that naming a unique color morph / genetic trait without the time it takes to prove out through future generations of reproducable results is jumping the gun. One of you even compared the father of the "Mega" to Lee Abbott, Steve Osborne, and Mike Falcon to which I replied LAUGHABLE. Terry was able to produce some really cool looking snakes from some adults he bought from other known breeders. I would have been more able to believe Shannon when it came to a newly found genes but his business dealings the last few years has unforunately hurt his credibility. From the beginning it was not my intentions to slam anyone but ye protest to much. I can understand the motivation for the claims of a new extreme gene. I can almost hear the conversation........IT's New, It's Improved, Mike Falcon's Extremes are old school, This is the next big thing! It's called marketing or some less flattering name. The harm is it muddies the water. What is What?
Hypos ranges from tipped up uglies to some the silver/ gray extremes that many of you are now producing. I produced extremes last year from animals unknown to have the gene. Is it a new line. Should I know name it and jump up and down and say look at me? I think not.

Scott Sweeney

charleshanklin Aug 12, 2008 11:07 PM

Actually I did not call anyone names. I just gave my sarcastic opinion on the way someone ways acting. Sounds like someone needs a little thicker skin with the way they want to come here and attack someone. Tell me how does it muddy the hondos with labeling another line? Have there been any other hondos produced that have looked like them? Did you go after the guy that started the super hypos and give him a ration? What other breedings would you like sir, just tell everyone so it can happen and make you happy. Are you going to daytona? If so we could chat there instead of bickering on this forum. Ttyl
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don't marry the cow when the milk is free when the milk drys up it's time for a new cow

shannon brown Aug 13, 2008 11:16 AM

Look man, this is getting really old.Its YOU that keeps taking stabs well after everybody else has moved on. In no way have we jumped the gun in trying to place a name on something.I have about a dozen animals and so does Terry from this line and it is DifferentFor Gods sake I bred a visual to a falcon and produced all normal except one so yes, it is different and not just a new and improved model.If it was new and improved I would have had a whole clutch of hypo's ( thats what I expected) and maybe a couple would have been extreme or mega or whatever.
Proof is in the pudding and I have the pudding.I tried this breeding last year with the same pair but only got slugs.So I have basically wasted 2 years of breeding a perfect falcon extreme animal just to se if it was the same line or not.I got what I got and you can draw your own conclusions.I have drawn my own conclusion and that is I don't think its the same line of hypo but my male ( whatever he is) is for sure het for the other hypo line because I did produce one hypo in the clutch.

And as far as you producing extremes from unknown that is happenenig all over the place and I did it also with two of my clutches this year and I know somebody else did as well.I don't think for a second it is new or different but I think the Mega line is for sure.Why do you have such a hard time believing this? why is it so hard to believe that there is something different out there in the last five years or six years.

I agree there is allot of work to be done and its being done and will continue to answer questions and to bring up new questions but thats the reason we don't just call them all hypo hondurans no matter what they look like correct?

Look, the bottom line is I have a animal that is not 100% compatible with what we know is a hypo line.Just forget for a second about the female I used being extreme cause its still just a hypo.Now, there is a chance that the single male tri-color animal I have is diferent also from all the other things produced by Jeff Alloway,Terry M and myself.Yes, all these animals share the same father ( the triple het that I own now) but my animal had a different Mother ( I own her also but she has never laid a good eg except the one that hatched for Jeff and produced my animal).
So, I have in no way came out and said I have something diferent than everybody else in the world and I haven't put a name on my snake and tried to create a new buzz or a new market or whatever it is you think I have done.
I have simply bred it to a hypo and produced 6 animals and one was hypo.You draw up whatever conclusion you want with that.And don't try to dig up old bones about the last couple years that I owed somebody some money and then paid them in ful cause what the heck does that have to do with my breeding results?
Why would I make something up because in reality it was not in my best interest to make normal snakes out of that breeding.If the whole clutch would have been normal I would be even more incline to think its really a t albino or some completly different line of hypo period.But,I did produce one hypo ( and a screamer extreme looking one at that)and then 4.1 normals.
I am keeping the male extreme hypo and the only female in the clutrch and I have sold 2 of the 3 other males ( one male died right out of the egg).
Anyway, what I do know for sure is that these normals can probably be bred to many of the other females I produced cause they al have the same grandfather/father line.

Anyway, I really don't se your motive for doubting everything thats going on and I am not sure why you are so upset that ONE bloodline ( thats all it is ,a bloodline not a morph) hasd been named. I see nothing wrong with naming a bloodline so people will know what they are getting.Why is this so hard for you man.
There has been no morph named etc....

L8r
Shannon

DMong Aug 13, 2008 12:00 PM

Shannon,....Nothing about your description of what has transpired with the breeding outcomes seems so outlandish to me either, especially since nobody is saying it is a "new and improved", or better looking, or anything else like that type of trait. It was named "Mega" because something is strange and unclear about this different looking line, and the way it expresses itself with unpredictability thus far, and it is in EVERYONE'S best interest at this point to keep track of this line, and make SURE that it doesn't get confused with the other Falcon hypo line.

Sure much more needs to be done to help fully understand(if it is even possible) the gene, but the first and foremost thing to do right now is first keep it separated from the other known hypo line and give it a traceable name of some sort,...which is what has been done. Nothing crazy about doing THAT!....right?

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

terrysxtreme Aug 13, 2008 01:05 PM

Hello Doug ,how can I find you in Daytona ?

Terry M

DMong Aug 13, 2008 01:51 PM

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

terrysxtreme Aug 13, 2008 01:25 PM

Mega is nothing more than a name ,to match the snake to the breeder.if it left my place it is a Mega or a mega line animal or a Falcon extreme, simple as that .I have some Falcon extremes as well ,Joe bought an extreme from me as well as a Mega Hypo . I don't understand why all the fuss .Most people see them as different ,and if I had six more megas I could sell them ,as I already have a waiting list for 2009 .Can we please all calm down and get over this .I am ready .I don't have bad feelings for anyone and never will and this is just a relaxing hobby for me

take care

Terry M

DMong Aug 13, 2008 01:49 PM

I wouldn't say THIS part of it is getting to be so "relaxing"!....hahahahha!

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

cn013 Aug 11, 2008 12:54 AM

I'd be ecstatic to see that clutch... VERY nice!!! I'm hoping to see something akin to that myself eventually. Look forward to the progress of yours though... well done.

Chris

exposito Aug 11, 2008 06:18 AM

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the kind words!
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

gaboonx Aug 11, 2008 05:44 PM

>>This clutch is almost out with one Tricolor Hypo being the exception. We got a nice Extreme and 4 Albinos. Some of them may be Hybinos. There is one pictured with the Extreme that looks very pale and very much like a Hybino. There were also a few Hets in the group. The father is an Albino Het Hypo and the mother is an Extreme Het Albino and Aneryhtristic. The male did not prove out to be Het Anerythristic, but the mother who is also the mother of our Extreme Ghost is now proven to be a Double Het. Here are few pics of the clutch.
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>>Joe Exposito
>>Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
>>www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Man that clucth is bright need to put on some shades, very nice Joe!! Hope you have a few at MARs this year...
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
My 2008 Care Sheet & The BRB Stats. Username: brb@kingsnake.com

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