Hi allessandro, when I breed a recessive leather to a regular scaled bearded, some of the "het" babies appear to be leathers but not nearly as smooth as the recessive leathers themselves. Caliente dragons also noticed this when they bred Pancake(recessive leatherback). When the two leathers are combined(Italian and recessive), i'm getting basically an Italian leather that is also showing the reduced scales that a het recessive would show. That's why they have regular leather scales and micro scales. To answer your question, I haven't made the final result of an Italian leather to a recessive leather. I'll know more when I breed a quad het to a recessive leather and/or to another quad het. There is so much now with the beardeds that everything is becoming a gigantic spiderweb of genetics, lol. When I get my new monitor, I'll post some more pics. The test breedings have produced some interesting stuff. Thanks, Josh