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Just so some others can see this too that otherwise might not.

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>Just so some others can see this too that otherwise might not.
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holy $&!!
that is unreal.
I know this has been asked but are they sure it's corn? Those pics kind of look like an obsoleta.
I would love to see that prove out to be a simple recessive trait.
The chocolate chip corn
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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That head does look obsoleta-ish. But if it's wild caught who cares..........it is a once in two life times find!!

>>That head does look obsoleta-ish. But if it's wild caught who cares..........it is a once in two life times find!!

no doubt
rat or corn...still incredible
hey Ralph, you've got mail
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Your out flipping tin with 4-5 friends. You all reach to a 3' x 3' piece of tin and flip it together.

You all see this "calico"!!!

Who gets that calico find?
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

>>Your out flipping tin with 4-5 friends. You all reach to a 3' x 3' piece of tin and flip it together.
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>>You all see this "calico"!!!
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>>Who gets that calico find?
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ME!
I'd knock their butts out of the way and grab that baby up....LOL
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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No, Officer, I didn't go herping with my four buddies.
They never showed up, so I went alone - and haven't seen them.

And that smell in trunk - it's old Pizza. Really, I swear.

I hope you find my friends, I have no clue what happened to them.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

Yes,....that's a pretty wicked snake!. Bill Love commented on it, and I think he may have even saw it in person, and said all the different colored speckles where just as they would be in a normal colored/patterned cornsnake, so that leads me to believe it is indeed the "real deal"! he said the belly was totally patternless, and pure white!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

That is just way to cool.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

Thanks for posting. What a gem of a find.
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Mark

No problem!,.....that is something so special, everyone should get a chance to gaze at it!,.....I would have been doing cartwheels until I passed out if I stumbled upon that animal!..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

...of the people, like myself, who don't have the 6 hours a day needed to keep up to date on another Corn forum.

WOW...

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

It wasn't posted in another Corn forum...

But, I DID find the additional, detailed photos in a second thread.

WOW

WOW

And the arguements that it's a captive-bred escapee are beyond ridiculous...

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

looks cornsnakes from pic
sleek scales ,smallish
head lean and mean not wide like a ratsnake ssp
wierd as sh.....

Ok.so it's a wild caught.......and maybe they are arguing who owns it? from the who owns it when 3 people flip tin question below?.....and from an area miles from houses yet farm worker killed another? and farms and wilderness aren't the same?..farms have houses.....

anyways./.......no matter...it's the rarest find in corns yet...someone needs to breed it and prove it........all babies need to be kept and records kept on everything it touches...(produces).......

he who keeps it should be the best one, the cleanest one, the luckiest ,best breeding one? the one who flipped the tin?....the one who grabbed it? (flipper before grabber).....this is why all hunters need to spread out....and make deals prior to hunting....

......is South Carolina a legal state? to hunt and collect in......would be sad to have them breed and all and SC Fish and Game / DNR whatever come and confiscate the whole deal / collections......happened before....ask BHB about leucistic hognoses.....hmmm...

so..hopefully legal and male and all involved are real friends.....

good luck..post updates people....this is a want one snake for all people for a long time to come......

......pleeeeeease keep it locality pure for awhile!!!!!!!!!

.......we don't need an ultramel mutant or creme screwing this project up from the start!!!!!!!!! I love 5 foot corns yet I hate the captive crap we been raising for decades that stays 3 foot and gets sick too fast...I am downsizing corns bigtime...they just seem to suck nowadays....

.......Thanxx......
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it was supposedly collected by the property owner and sold to the person who now has it. how much was it sold for? no one except the involved parties know.

technically, collection for the purpose of propagation requires a collecting permit in the state of south carolina.
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-Mike Martin
North Carolina

CRAP that thing is INCREDIBLE!!! WOW......

As for the "who gets it with 4-5 people". I would get NASTY if I where one of them. You would have to soooo FIGHT me for it.
Really. lol!
Amanda

I think this may raise the needs for cornsnake collecting conduct & codes.

Some things should just be caught on video. That situation should be one.

Better yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Road herping and everyone in the truck sees the snake!

3 years ago at 47 and 280 pounds I out ran a 23 year old extreme fighter. And over a pennicular cooter!

I can not repeat what he called me when we got back to the truck. But it was funny!

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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

That is too friggin' funny!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

but haven't seen it in person yet. I have been in contact with the owner, and he is sending a good shed to do scale counts on. There is some overlap (according to the books we have), but if it is on the high or low end, it will be conclusive. If the count is in the middle range, it may only be suggestive.

The head shots we have seen do suggest a corn. Hope it proves to be heritable, whatever it is.

Kathy,...thanks for the update on that!,.....yes, the scale counts will hopefully indicate one way or another as to the identity. from the colors involved, smoothness of the scales(as far as I can tell), and the head shape,...it looks pretty convincing to me as well.

But no matter which species it eventually proves out to be,..I'm sure you'll agree, it is absolutely stunning!

take care, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

From what I got out of the story of this corn from a secondary source (the source of the pics is a freind of the owner of the snake)this snake was captured on a farm by the owner of the farm who was directed to it by some field hands. The first animal was killed by the field hands and when the farm owner found out she (I think) raised hell. When this animal was found she was informed and captured it.

She then sold it to the now owner for a hefty undisclosed sum. I would guess a couple hundred dollars. The animal is a male and is close to 4 feet in length. The original story of this animal can be found on another .com that is a field herp forum...

The animal does have a touch of a nose rub but is otherwise very healthy. The animal was found in a barn and other females from in and near the barn were collected and sold to the owner as well. So there is a chance that this morph could be produced as early as next year. Not likely but possible. Otherwise we are 2 years from a het to het and het to parent breeding if the trait is simple recessive.

Now salivate at the thought of it all...

Jason

"From what I got out of the story of this corn from a secondary source (the source of the pics is a freind of the owner of the snake)this snake was captured on a farm by the owner of the farm who was directed to it by some field hands. The first animal was killed by the field hands and when the farm owner found out she (I think) raised hell. When this animal was found she was informed and captured it.

She then sold it to the now owner for a hefty undisclosed sum. I would guess a couple hundred dollars. The animal is a male and is close to 4 feet in length. The original story of this animal can be found on another .com that is a field herp forum... "

That is pretty much what the present owner has told me as well.

I would have trouble sleeping if I were the new owner, what ever they paid, it probably wasn't enough, it could end up being one heck of an "investment". Could you imagine what that snake would have sold for had the farmer taken it to Daytona and silent auctioned, or best offer on a table for a day?lol That is great that they also have some normals found near the same spot to breed to, could be gene carriers. I will probably be an old man before it is affordable even if it proves out, sure is eye candy anyway.
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Jeff Benfer

1.0 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.1 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.2 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 Okeetee Pantherophis guttatus

Haven't those been around for awhile? Here is another from SC. Ken

I beleive that is what was called the chocolate chip black rat.
Seems knowone knows their history or their fate.
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

It's important to get new morphs into the hands of several experienced breeders.

IE - I hope some F1 hets from the corn get into the hands of Kathy, Don, Rich Z, and Rob Stevens.

That will help prevent the line from vanishing should disaster happen somewhere.

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While some people have talked about wanting to keep a locality line, while I do think it important that there be some lines traceable back to wild caught - bottom line, this is a mutant and not representative of the corns at the locale, outcrossing to other locales may be important, too much inbreeding (IE keeping the line locality) can potentially be problematic for the line if there are some other undesirable genes in the founding stock.

IE the Palomar "ghost" Cal Kings were apparently very difficult to get started, those working with that mutation needed to outcross in order to produce viable lines that expressed the mutation.

It would be nice to try and keep a locality line, but it should IMHO be outcrossed to other corns traceable to "pure" WC corns as well.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

It will be cool to see what the hets look like. Hopefully it only gets bred to the other wild caughts. I think it would hold more value that way. I would question the authenticity of a new morph if other mutations were introduced.