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First off hello everyone, the name's Oren.
I am from Israel and I keep several snakes(corns, GTP, Texas Ratsnake and some Mexicana Kings)
I recently got a new Boa(BCI), my first one actually.
Now this little fella is packed with genes I think.

The father is supposed to be a Sunset cross(this is his actual picture btw)

The Mother is a Hypoblond, hypo and salmon het for khal strain albinism. again, the pic:

Now, the neonates this year turned out to be either hypoblonds, salmons and what seemed like a Super Salmon due to their far more intense coloration.
However due to the fact that this line is heavy in hypoblond(the father possibly being a super hypoblond, he never produced a classic baby) it is possible that what I have is a full sunset(?)... I've seen a few super salmons on the internet and not a lot of them look like mine. And it's kind of hard to see the difference and to know if his colors are due to him being a super hypoblond, salmon or maybe both?

Also, this is one of my boa's sisters from last years' clutch( I am putting a picture of her because she pretty much looked exactly my little fella)

And this is how she looks today(Looks like a sunset to me... I may be mistaken but what's your opinion?)

And finally here are some pics of my male BCI, named Spiritus. He is roughly 6-7 weeks old:

pic of the tail:

So... thoughts?
What do you believe I have?

Thanks in advance.

Hello Oren

First off,,,great looking Little fella you have picked up!!!!!!

I dont know much about the Sunset Genes,,but just wanted to compliment you on some Awsome Genes you are working with.

Have fun and goodluck with your upcoming projects.

Best regards Toine
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WWW.PUREBOAS.COM

Home of the *STRYPOBESQUE* Boa!!!!!

Thank you very much mate

Hello,
Welcome to the forum!

Sunsets are an intergrade between hog isle boas (an insular dwarf Bci) and a colombian Bci that expresses the hypo trait.

Hypo and Salmon are just different terms for different lines of hypomelanistic Bci. It is basically the same genetic morph.

I've never heard of a hypoblond before?

If your hypo boa is from a sunset (integrade) x hypo het albino, then I believe that makes it by default a sunset that is possibly het albino, possibly a super since both parents had the hypo gene. Yours woudln't look like other super salmons due to the hog isle blood in the mix. Any normal boas from a sunset breeding to anything would just be considered crosses/integrades.

I hope that helps a little... I am by far no expert! Hopefully someone else will chime in as well.
-April

D&M breeders, sunset boas

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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

I am extremely tickled... The Father of my little fella came from D&M.
As far as I know however(and I have seen cases of each) there are 3 types of Hypomelanism in BCI's.

The type A Hypo is your day to day hypo, reduction in melanin and that's it really.

Hypo type B is the Salmon, which reduces melanin -and- adds a bit of an orange/pink tint.

Hypo type C is Hypo Blond- when crossing a Hogg Isle to a normal BCI- you get a snake with reduced melanin, and as it matures, a yellowish hue takes hold and becomes more prominent. The super form of this bears a striking resemblance to the Hogg Isle Boas.

As you can't really name a super form of a trait "hogg isle" because it's not pure locality animal, the name Hypo Blond was decided upon, to describe the trait itself.

>>The type A Hypo is your day to day hypo, reduction in melanin and that's it really.
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>>Hypo type B is the Salmon, which reduces melanin -and- adds a bit of an orange/pink tint.
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>>Hypo type C is Hypo Blond- when crossing a Hogg Isle to a normal BCI- you get a snake with reduced melanin, and as it matures, a yellowish hue takes hold and becomes more prominent. The super form of this bears a striking resemblance to the Hogg Isle Boas.

Usually I see type A, etc used when the traits are not compatable, but the hypo and salmon are compatible, they are all the same traits, just different names for different blood lines. I think we are on the same page.

Your little man is really nice with a very unique coloration on the tail. I hope you post more pics of him as he matures!
Good luck,
April
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

That very well may be- that these do not add up but rather, are two different bloodlines to the same trait- one more reddish than the other, but the difference ends up being the same.
The Hogg Hypo is the "oddball" than, and is separate from the salmon and hypo genes.

>>The Hogg Hypo is the "oddball" than, and is separate from the salmon and hypo genes.

Aha, thanks for explaining! I didn't realize HypoBlond was for the hypo hog cross. Never heard that term before.
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

Hi Oren, welcome to the forum!

Really, really nice looking snakes in those pictures.

I'm no expert, but one of the things I look for in salmons is the shape of the dorsal saddles. Salmons have saddles that look rather like bowties while super salmons tend to have narrow, bar-like saddles. There is overlap, so often you can't tell the difference between a nice salmon and a not-so-nice super salmon. That is why breeding tests are necessary. Still, both your snake and his sister have the type of saddles I'd look for in a super salmon.

The father's color is terrific! I hope your snake looks like the father or the sister in a year or so. But there is a chance he will tend towards the mother's coloring. About all you can do is wait and see.

All evidence points at him becoming brighter... even now he is a deal prettier than the dam.
Time will tell.

I can only say that all the boas from this couple turned out to be a deal prettier and look like the father rather than the mother.

Just clarifying though, only Spiritus is mine, the snakes belong to a friend of mine who got in deep into sunsets- the sire is from D&M, the female is from P&M

Hi, Oren!
Thanks for posting.
I’m not really sure of what a hypoblonde is either unless it’s a bloodline of a hypo.
If I’m correct, I think a sunset is a 50% Hog Island super hypo from a certain bloodline as well.
If that’s the case, it can only come from a breeding where both parents are sunset crosses (hypo 50% Hog Islands) and then can only be conjectured as a sunset until proven out by breeding to confirm the super in the hypo gene.
Therefore, unless the mom is a sunset cross, the babies have no possibility of being sunsets.
What you DO have for SURE, however, is a collection of AMAZING hypos.
Congrats!
Aaron

As I explained, saying 50% Hogg Isle is funny- as you can't put percentages on a locality's involvement. That is why at least over here we use the term hypo-blond.
Hypo, Salmon and Hypo blond all look very different from one another actually. You're welcome to check
The father is infact a sunset cross- he is a cross of Hogg Isle(whose hypo does not correlate with your day to day hypomelanism or salmon-they add up)
To make things easier, for all purpose of understanding my post- both parents are sunset crosses. They have inherited the coloration of the Hogg Isle boas(including the color changing through the day cycles).

Okkkay I decided to sort things out for myself...

As far as I know, there are 3 types of hypo.
On the one hand we have the hypo, on the other, salmon.
according to this site:
http://www.buddhaboa.com/en/simple-morphs/salmon-boa-5.html

there are two bloodlines- hypo and orangetail/salmon.

here's a decent example for a hypo I think:
http://www.boaconstrictors.pl/wiedza/morphs/foty/hypo2big.jpg

here's a salmon or super salmon:
http://www.ozzyboids.com/IMAGES/IMG_0946.JPG

See the difference in the hue? one reduces the black pigment, the other does that -and- adds some red/pink tint.

The Hogg Isle hypo, AKA hypo-blond... I don't have a pic here, but it's the non-super form of the Hogg isle hypomelanism.

Here's a good site that differentiates hypo from salmon and hogg:

http://www.reptileshed.com/availableboas.html

as 50% hogg isle boa is the het form, 100% would be called full hogg isle but that's wrong... yes, they will be kind of similiar, but they won't really be pure Hoggs- that's why I know it as hypoblond

any of this makes sense?

cause basically speaking, I believe the father is super hogg type hypo(AKA blond) and salmon- while the mother is a hypo, salmon and non super hogg hypo. That's the genetic makeup. Excluding the fact that the mother is proved het for Khal strain albinism

I tried to figure out how can I detect the difference between the defining traits of the super salmon verus the super hogg hypo- so that I will know if I got a full sunset or not.