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Ok, this is bugging me. Ever since before I was into field herping or captive husbandry I've always really liked the way a certain "corn snake" looked in the field guide, along with soem other cool snakes in there too.
I cant find a pic online, but I remember one particular color plate had a snake on sandy/rocky ground, has a brownish beige background and burnt orange saddles and orange eyes.

I have my doubts this is actually a plain old corn snake. I'd like to discuss what it really is, because honestly, I want a bunch of 'em that look just like that!

If someone can dig up the pic or scan it or something it'd be greatly appreciated. Google hasnt been friendly to me on this issue.

Exactly what kind of snake is this? Where can I get some?
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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

It's against forum rules to post photos that aren't yours, but the snake that you're referring to is an Emory's (aka Great Plains) Ratsnake. If you did a serach on that, you'd find something closer to what you are looking for. There are peole who breed these and they're just as easy (probably even hardier) as corn snakes to keep.

Audubon lumps groups of snakes togather in their field guide and at the time Emory's Rats were classified as a subspecies of Corn Snake.

Tim

Third Eye

"It's against forum rules to post photos that aren't yours"

Cant say I was aware of that, and I can understand the rule, but if the pictures were honestly represented it shouldnt be an issue, but.....I'm not arguing with you, just thinking out loud.

Ok, cool. Thanks for the info. I'll dig around to find some Emory's that closer match what I'm looking for. 'ppreciate it!

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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

Kevin at Cameleon Counters in Copperas Cove, Texas always has a few since they are native to this area. I live in Killeen, Texas and he has had one every time I have been to his store the last 8 months.

Dave

Christie Ln? My brother is in Killeen. Ex Military. It can be a tight community with teh military people there.

At times it can be a small world

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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

Yes I live in Killeen, Texas. I work with the good people in the military all the time. I'm a Special Education teacher and work with kids in wheelchairs. Thanks for reading.

Dave

Did it look like any of these? These are my emoryi or actually meahllmorum to be specific.

A bit, yeah. I'd say a stronger orange prominence in the saddles and the eyes though, like a faded pumpkin color. Probably one of those exquisite (sp?) examples hardly anyone ever sees.
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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

I don't make the rules around here, so the photo posting regulation is not my creation. In addition, published materials are copyrighted and therefore protected from reproduction (whether credited to the original source or not). I didn't make up that rule either - that's just how it is.

At any rate, there's several Emory's/Great Plains ratsnakes for sale in the New World Ratsnake classifieds on this website. These snakes can be quite variable in color and pattern.

Tim

"I don't make the rules around here, so the photo posting regulation is not my creation. "

No need to mention that, the thought never even crossed my mind.

And now for something completely different

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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

I know the exact snake you are referring to...

Colour plate #570...Emory's, but labeled 'Corn'...

Tangerine-orange eyes, Cinnamon-brown saddles, on a medium-gray, blue-tinted background. Absolute STUNNER.....

The photo is credited to 'Ray Pawley'.
(Yeah, I'm currently holding the book and ogling the snake in question..lol)

This same question was asked on this forum in Jan/Feb 2002.
(Back before the Corn community was split into various 'forum allegiances'.....)

The animal shown was caught in Kansas.
Nobody went into detail concerning exact locales though.
(I live in Toronto, but would gladly drive to Kansas for a 1-in-5 shot at catching an Emory's Ratsnake like that one. haha)

I'd scan the photo, but I don't have a scanner anymore.
Afterall, this isn't 2002....

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

>>Here is a picture of the snake in question
This is scanned from the Audubon book
photo credits go to Audubon

sure looks emoryi to me. But the color is cool. Never seen an emroyi that color

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Yes,.......it looks to be a form of hypo emoryi. It's hard to say if the sand as well as the snake are actually that degree of orangish color or not, as the sun and other different lighting can affect photo results drastically. But in any case, it DOES seem to be a hypo and very differently colored than normal examples.

Thanks for posting the pic Jimmy!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

>>Yes,.......it looks to be a form of hypo emoryi. It's hard to say if the sand as well as the snake are actually that degree of orangish color or not, as the sun and other different lighting can affect photo results drastically. But in any case, it DOES seem to be a hypo and very differently colored than normal examples.
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>> Thanks for posting the pic Jimmy!
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I was thinking it looked more like a hypo as well.
Sharp looking whatever it is
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Thanks for doing that. Saves me a lot of trouble describing it LOL
Killer snake for sure
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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

were u able to find the pic u were looking for
i finally found my copy of it it old had to knock the dust off of it published in 91

that is a great looking snake
1 of m favs was the flourescent green yellow rat snake