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I am fairly new to Yellow Bellies, infact just got my first pair this weekend, but I was curious, I am starting to see ads selling Yellow Bellies from "Proven Ivory Lines", Are there yellow bellies out there that don't produce Ivory's?

I ask becuase unlike many of the other morphs (Ghosts and Pastels come to mind) there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of lineage info on many of these Yellow Bellies.

I have even seen ads for CH or Imported Yellow Bellies, and it kind give the impression that a yellow belly is a yellow belly, that they all produce an Ivory when bred together, are there some "Yellow Bellies" that seem to be yellow bellies that don't produce Ivories?

I know there are a few lines of them, but it seems there are quite a few different lineages of them, but not many people attach the lineage to thier Yellow Bellies like they do with say Ghosts or Pastels....I wonder why?

I picked up an Unrelated pair, from two different breeders, and they sure seem like Yellow bellies to me, and I am not doubting they are, it just seemed funny to me that there are so many different lineages and not much lineage info...and then I started seeing ads for "Proven Ivory Line"..ect..ect.. made me wonder if people have noticed obvious yellow bellies that for some reason are not het Ivory's? Has this been happening?
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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There was an argument some time back somewhere around the time the ivory came out -- that a YB couldn't be called a YB (aka het ivory) unless it came from a proven ivory line. There were those that argued a YB is a YB and all will produce the ivory -- and those that insisted that only a proven YB line could be called a YB -- yes there are thousands of imported YBs every year -- will they all prove out -- who knows. And there in lies the distinction -- some lines have been proven out others are still "unproven".
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Tosha
JET Pythons

Interesting, its like saying a ghost can't be a ghost if it doesn't come from "fill in the blank" line....

I would think just like with the Pastels, Ghosts, just about every other morph, people who do establish say a wild caught line of yellow bellies, would slap thier names on it...like "blank" line Yellow Bellies...ya know, but you don't see much of that happening with this morph.

So I wonder why those who have imported yellow bellies, and produced ivory's with those imports, why they don't push thier name on the lineage? It seems so common with other morphs, wonder why Yellow Bellies are the exception?
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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.....YellowBellies are selling at too low a price for people to bother applying the same 'marketing' techniques that we see with other morphs.

If someone is plotting on how to differentiate THEIR $200 YB males, they're looking to get rich on the wrong morph...LOL

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I guess its the money factor, I remember back when people where posting every other post pictures of their snakes asking if it was a yellow belly, I figured if people who sold yellow bellies where honest and truely bred "Het Ivory's" that there would be some kind of lineage attached to it. Kind of an assurance that they truely are het Ivories, ya know.

Its almost like by having a name attached to them, it say...these are true Yellow Belly's (Het Ivory's)....but if a Yellow Belly is a Yellow Belly, and they all produce Ivory's...then it does kind of make it pointless to attach a lineage name to the morph....

Pastels are just as cheap...but people still attach what lineage they work with...weither its NERD, Blonde, Graziani..ect..ect..
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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...thats because when Pastels came out...they where worth quite a bit of money...a yb is yb is a yb...always has been always will be. I have never heard of a "yb"...an animal with all the traits not prove out to produce an Ivory...no one has ever posted it ...ever...good luck with yours.
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Michael Enriquez

I think people say...Yellowbelly from proven Ivory Line because the Yellowbelly is so variable and for the longest time people never knew how to differentiate them when you came across a low grade YB....people still don't. Saying it came from a proven Ivory means you for sure have a YB on your hands and you aren't just getting an animal someone is "hoping" to be a YB that they got straight from Africa.

Hope that made sense. The reason why you don't say Prove Ghost line or proven Albino line is because that is a morph that you can easily tell what it is...same with "most" other morphs.

thousands of imported ybs every year? I honestly beleive that is way off. When I got my first import yellow bellys I found 2 out of 2000 animals we got in. And even now that the dealers in Africa know what to look for, there are not that many coming in . I would say maybe 100 definate yb's a year--even that number is probably pushing it.

Amir proved the first Yellowbellies genetic back around 1999/2000 if not a little eairler. We all know the Sutherlands first proved them to make the Ivories......but all the yellowbellies originated from Wild caught animals..

My line, Amirs, Ralphs "Goblins"........you can change the name, call them whatever you want to, but the simple fact remains that a Yellowbelly is a Yellowbelly is a Yellowbelly.

Breed one from my "proven" line to one from my "unproven imported" animals and you will get ivories.....same goes for any legit. yellowbelly.....they are all going to produce a super form of an Ivory ball.

Jared H
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all yellowbellies will make ivories. There is a HUGE variance of appearance in the morph. There are at least 3 distinct "types" that I am aware of with three different looks. You have the typical type which is more of a yellow animal-you have an orange type, which has alot of orange and usually holds its color through adulthood and a darker type that can actually not look like a typical yellowbelly, but can be attractive with some white scalation. It is a great morph, and I actually like the ybs themseleves, not just what they make.

My ad says Proven Ivory Line. I did that because I produced Ivories with my YB's. I didn't do that to get rich, lol. There are still some people/newbies that can't identify a YB. Especially if a normal looks like it might be a YB, this just takes the guesswork out. I agree all true YB's will produce Ivories. But with all the imported YB's that been around why don't we see more Ivories?
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The Crawl Space

I agree---you should always put proven ivory line if you have produced ivories.

But with all the imported YB's that been around why don't we see more Ivories?

Good Question, They seem to have been around long enough for a BUNCH of them to have been produced, so it begs the question, are there YellowBellies that might look like yellow bellies, but don't produce Ivory's?

Has there been anyone who "Thought" they where sure they had a Yellow Belly's and not produced an Ivory with them?
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

someone trying to produce a first combo or multi-combo. i think there's enough white snakes these days. i think people are trying to produce something that the rest of us don't have.

why breed a YB x YB..........when you can make something more interesting and know it can be done when you do YB x ??.

just my two cents.

Pitoon

2 reasons

1--ivories are cool snake-

2--ivorys will up your odds when trying for other combos--You would make twice as many by increasing your odds. Female ivories are becoming a very hot commodity these days and males are not too far behind.

why people are not working with them as much as other morphs. these days anyone can pick up a pair of YB.

i agree ivory's are cool, i like them and i like your purple monster even more, lol.

you just don't see many produced. why??????

Pitoon

I think there is a decent amount produced-we produced 13 this year -I also think there is alot of demand for them, so they sell quickly. I sold every non ss ivory I produced this year very quickly--people really want them to make combos--there are several very cool combos that people are using yb for that are not public info yet(or so I have been told)-and of course the super stripes. I have also sold a good amount of my line ob males and females as well as graphite fathered obs. I am almost definately going to sell out of the latter within a couple of weeks.

Well, if you have a male codom/dom and you want to breed it into yellowbelly but you don't have any, what is the more economical option?

1. Buy one female ivory...KS advertisement $2000
2. Buy 6-7 yellow belly females at $300 ea.

Anyone with any sense would buy the 6-7 yellow bellies. True you only have a 1 in 4 chance of hitting a codom x yb, but you have 6-7 snakes to do it with! What if that female ivory doesn't eat well? What if it doesn't reproduce? Etc, etc, etc. Going with the YB's minimizes risk.

Average 4 eggs.
Codom x ivory= 2 codom yb and 2 yb
Codom x 6 yb = 6 codom yb, 6 yb, 6 codom, and 6 normals

Which is more profitable?

thank god there are still people doing this that like to buy morphs because they enjoy them. Maybe that is why the Ivories are selling well. Good points on the dollar break down, but just like in pastels, I think nicer stuff sells better and for more money. I thnk yb's can definately sell graded. Its funny thought that mojaves females are now selling for the same or less than yb females.

I like my yb girl a lot and I think she has a unique look. I'm going to breed her to another codom first and then breed one of her sons back to her. Unless I find a male that looks like her.....

And the belly....

So far all my CH yellowbellies have proven to produce more YBs.

and they will produce ivories I am sure. Good yellow bellies are hard to miss. Its the suddle ones that can be tricky. Thats why anymore, if I have an iffy female born--I keep it--If I have an iffy male--Gets sold as a normal. I had an iffy female produce ivories this year, so I was pretty happy about that.

Thanks,
Casey

no-dont have any pics of her. She looks like one of those maybe yellowbellies.

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I am really excited about my Ivory project, my wife has a bunch of ball python projects in the works, and I am excited to have one of my own....this is my one and only ball python project.

Here are some more pics of them...

Female

The Male

They are supposed to be unrelated, from two seperate yellow belly "lines"..lol
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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
www.executivereptiles.com

those look like yellow bellies

This is not a yellow belly but its belly sure was yellow....it would have been cool if it was...I first thought it was...but at the time I really had not idea what a yellow belly was...it kinda looks like one right?


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Executive Reptiles
Amanda Kingsbury & David Kendrick
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