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Would this theoretically be an all bright orange snake?

Someone make one!

Jeremy recently posted that a Hypo Motley bred to a normal always produced a litter of half(ish) hypo, half(ish) motley. NO normals, from that, if true, then there could be no such animal as a hypo super motley (nor super Motley Sunglow) as the motley and hypo gene share the same locus.
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Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

my understanding of his explanation is that to make a "super hypo super motley sunglow" BOTH parents would have to be hypo motleys het albino, or sunglow motleys.

I think that's what he meant...
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yes, I was thinking of a motley sunglow X motley sunglow pairing...
This still wouldnt produce a super motley sunglow?

I think it would, but i don't really know! I think Jeremy said he's going to try to prove it, but i have no idea when that will happen.
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Yeah, still trying to get my mind around that one. To my limited knowledge, each gene pair acts individually for inheritance. Yes then can interact together for expression of atrait but still have a 50/50 chance of passing down any individual gene.

If that is correct, and Jeremy's statement about NO normals in a hypo motley bred to normal pairing, then Hypo and Motley share the same locus. If they do share the same locus, then there's no way you could get more than two total combined motley and normal genes. A hypo super motley would require two motley genes and one hypo but three genes cannot reside at one locus.

Of course the super Motley Sunglow is another step adding in Albino but clearly Albino is on another locus and not actually relevant for the hypo/motley discussion.

Appologise in advance if I misused terms I'm just a guy with snakes, not a genetics professor!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I'm no genetics professor myself! Just trying to sort out what everyone has said on here... that can get confusing!

Hopefully someone can prove it out... I'm a few generations away from my shot at it...
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so then correct me if im wrong, but following those lines, it would also be impossible to create a super hypo motley sunglow. (do super hypo sunglows look any different then regular sunglows in the first place?)

If, as seems to be the case, the Hypo traits and the Motley mutations both reside at the exact same location, there would not be any such thing as a Super Motley that was "Hypo" in the "Salmon", or "Orange Tail" version. There is only room for two at any one location. I suspect there is room for a "freak" that will allow for the Super Motley and Hypo trait to both be at the same location. Perhaps anyhow. What other explanation is there for the "Red Devil" that we saw a tiny snippet of? I suspect that was a genetic fluke, but not something that could be depended on with any level of predictability. That's my two cents worth anyhow...
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I thought he said a female hypo motley was the only way to get a hypo super motley! But I have been wrong on many occasions!
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Ty
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..., but I could be wrong! We'll just have to wait and see and we will see if these combos prove out in the next few years!

hypo motley X hypo motley = hypo super motley(red devil)

hypo motley het albino X hypo motley het albino = sunglow super motley and hypo super motleys

sunglow motley X hypo motley het albino = sunglow super motley and hypo super motleys het albino

sunglow motley X sunglow motley = sunglow super motleys and hypo super motleys.

The hypo super motleys and sunglow super motleys will not be possible super salmons, but the sibling salmons and sunglows will be!

a few weeks ago about this. Just after he posted the news about the genetics of hypo motleys. I like his theory.... I don't necessarily agree or disagree with it, I like it because I hope he is correct about it because I really want to see this red devil be a genetic animal rather than a freak based on pure luck.

We did not have time to discuss all of the ins and outs of the genetics behind it, but what he did tell me is that he believes he has the genetics figured out on how to produce a red devil. He believes it is a 1 in 32 snake based on a hypo-motley x hypo-motley pairing.

1 in 32 odds....... Vegas anyone?????? Somehow I like that idea because it makes it very rare and hard to create, yet atleast it would be possible to create rather than a freak that popped out by chance.

I dont really know what to believe about the genetics of it, this whole hypo-motley thing has really gotten interesting with the recent discussions. Its going to be one of those things where only time will tell