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Finally got a few moments to take some pics of our first breeding of our double het . bulls. In a clutch of 7 eggs from one of our double het pair. the first pic is of the true ghost, a female with attitude. She is a lot darker than I expected but she is quite beautiful. We got two hypos, an axanthic, and 3 possible triple hets. The results of this breeding began several yrs back when we bred our hypo stillwater bulls to Miami Co. Kansas locality axanthic, we held all the double hets back and this yr. we had two of these double het femlaes lay small clutces of 7 and 5 eggs.

Thanks for looking,

Cheers,

Susan Hardy

Here a pic of the hypo.

Susan Hardy

here is a pic of one of one of the possible triple hets.

Susan Hardy

those hypos are nice!

I'm missing the third trait, not sure if it's just me.
>> we bred our hypo stillwater bulls to Miami Co. Kansas locality axanthic, we held all the double hets back

I only get two, not three?
They are nice hatchlings. I have to look at the "normal" more, something about it I find very attractive.
Thanks for posting!

The triple hets would be "1 het hypo, 2 het axanthic and 3 het true ghost" 1 - 2 - 3.
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Joe Deavers
J & S Reptiles
http://www.jandsreptiles.net

Forgot to add, all of those would be poss triple het. Not 100% triple het for hypo, axanthic and true ghost.
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Joe Deavers
J & S Reptiles
http://www.jandsreptiles.net

Is "true ghost" a single simple gene, or is it hypo axanthic?

Because if it is hypo axanthic - then they are only double hets.

het is short for heterozygous which refers to a gene pair with two alleles that are different.

A snake can not be "het" for a double morph, but it can be a double het - heterozygous at both the gene pairs of interest.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

Yes, I'm in agreement that these would be termed "possible double hets". If it the generally accepted term for hypo axanthic were ghose, then you might shortcut and say "possible dh ghost". When the situation is like this one, where there are two different morphs called ghost, it's easier to just spell it out for clarity; ie, "possible dh axanthic and hypo".
I'm largely saying this for people like me who are still learning the different terms used. When you can KEEP IT SIMPLE without too much explanation, that's the way to go! At least in my mind it is.
Thanks,
Andy

Susan, Can you post a pic of one of the axanthics next to this ghost.In the picture it looks like this is just a axanthic.I can't see anything hypo at all on this snake.I could be wrong cause I havn't seen it in person but it just looks axanthic.
Anyway, I hope to see them in person in 2 weeks if you have them at the show.

L8r Shannon

Shannon,
That is what I was thinking too...looks like an anery/axanthic to me, not a "true ghost". There are some "true ghosts" several posts down. Again, this one doesn't look to be hypo at all. Glad I am not the only one who thinks so.

Take care
Jeff Port

Shannon,

I will be bringing them to Anaheim, I have hatched out axanthics before from the Miami Co. Kansas line and this animal is different looking. If it is not a true ghost I am not sure what to make of it. I will post pics of the entire clutch so you can see. It may be possible that the out crossing of the localities has really changed the appearance of the axanthics, and hypos. Even the possible triple look unique from ea. other.

I should get some pics over next day or two just got a new toy a Canon PowerShot G9.

susan

Hey Girl, I can't wait to see them.Looks like you are missing the Big show as I am.LOL... next year for sure.

Anyway, yes post a pic of the whole clutch if possible.I would say yes its the outcrossing that has done it.The hypo you posted is weird and the normal possible double hets are weird also.I am not sure why you are calling them triple hets? but anywho,I am pretty sure thats what is going on.
The "ghost" should have that opaque look to it or that waxy wash.It has to nice and crisp of black for me to believe its axanthic.Also, you know its just a 1 in 16 chance of it being a ghost.

L8r

Congrats. Those are beauties!

reako45

Here is a pic of the babies I hatched out earlier this summer. They are from double het parents that are het for Stillwater Hypo and Miami County axanthic. Unfortunately, the ghost died, he looked perfect when he hatched. But, as you can see from these pics, ghost bulls should look like ghost bulls, and I think the first snake from this post is just an axanthic. I hatched out 18 eggs over the last 2 years and only got the one true ghost, but several axanthics and hypos. Brad Lichtenhan