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In referral of a post earlier on this forum about the new export regulations for Indonesian monitors etc.

I have asked around and found out that officials from the European Union, will go to Indonesia this month to inspect some farms that breed monitors. It will depend on their findings if they will give a positive advice for the continu of import of farmbred monitors into the EU. If their advice is negative then the EU could (not sure if it would) close the borders for monitors (unsure if only FB/WC/CB).

The official are from the EU and it is the EU that is reconsidering it's import regulations. It is not the Indonesian government who is reconsidering it's regulations.

We will have to wait what the officials will conclude from their trip!

CITES will prohibit export on many indo varanids, pythons and turtles starting this fall.

I live in Montreal Canada but this will affect all country’s complying with CITES convention.

Varanus salvator (all morphs) varanus dumerili, varanus rudicolis are on the list for sure.
Other varanids may be on it too? Will try to know more today.

I provided this information for keepers interested in obtaining breeders before the ban, I have no interest in those species and do not gain anything from there sale.

Dear Jobi,

Please let me know what your source is! As I can not find any notification to the parties of CITES instructing/announcing it's members not to accept any export CITES documents concearning Varanus from Indonesia.

Do you have had contact with CITES? Or any other authority concerning import and export?

I spoke an exporter from Indonesia this week and he had heard nothing about a export or import ban on Varanus species from Indonesia. He did tell me that the EU would send officials to Indonesia to visit some farms, unknown which farms will be visited.

So again this is still a rumor based on nothing else then your word, without any proof. Give me a notification number, when it was issued etc. Or a authority people can contact to check it.

Here is the list of countries currently subject to a recommendation to suspend trade by CITES.

http://www.cites.org/eng/news/sundry/trade_suspension.shtml

As you can see there is no mentioning of Indonesia on this list.

sorry this is not a rumour, its for real.

they are targeting the skin trade animals, this year indo and soon all african monitors.

Its about time they do somthing usfull.

if you have an interest in those species, take this notification siriuosly.

you can also print this post and put it on your fridg and shove it on me later if I am wrong.

ive not heard this either. ive heard china is a possiblilty within 2 yrs, and so are some other asian countries, along with some island nations, but not indonesia. if you could produce a link which states this, itd be much appreciated from all.

Jobi, dont you deal with the skin trade some, I cant remember anymore?
I remember reading an article not long ago somewhere about proposed bans on Asian reptiles (mainly targeting the skin trade, and to an extent the export of animals to the pet industry), but since I have not heard or found anything about the subject.

Jobi this is the only evidence of any regulatory change that is on the government's role to be changed.

http://www.pethobbyist.com/sitenews/index.php?/archives/202-Feds-Move-To-Ban-Pythons-Boas.html

But that is only a ban on constricting snakes of the genus, Boa, Python and Eunectes. But it does not include monitors.

So again I ask you to give us more then just your word, give up or the name who or company told you or the official document number in which it is mentioned.
That shouldn't be to hard would it?! You know it now for some time but you are unable to give us any proof via a document. The only thing you say it will be over in a month... you are unsure who in fact is changing the regulations, Indonesia, CITES or maybe it is the USFWS?

You are not really a credible person. You only yell something but when people ask you on how you know about this so called fact you can't tell anyone...

Also there is no mentioning in the legal forum of Kingsnake.com about any change you mention. So next time if you hear anything, please check it first before posting untrue or false information on the net if you DO NOT have any proof.

If Jobi is not credible for you, why loosing your time readind is post unbeleavable?
Take care.

It happens to often that people bring rumors into this world that are untrue or wrong which do more harm then help.

And if people say something I would want to double check that information, I want to know the correct information and not stories from hearsay.

And by saying that the import/trade of monitors will completly stop is something that affects us all (for indo species!), so I just want to know how much of the information Jobi is telling is true, so far I have not been able to double check his story.

Cheers!

There are 1 or 2 legit locations (referred to as farms)that breed water monitors (only, no other species), that I have ever heard of in all of Asia. These so called farms do not, nor will they ever breed monitors.
They wild collect them, they dig up eggs, attempt to hatch them, and they attempt to get wild caught gravid females to lay eggs in captivity, then attempt to hatch those eggs, along with selling the female that just layed the eggs in the skin trade.
The regulations not too many years ago were to cut the WC trade, and skin trade, but it did nothing but drive prices up a bit.
These places found that they can get local officials to supply paperwork calling their WC monitors and other reptiles Captive Bred and Born (lies). All it takes is small bribes to get the officials to back up anything you want to call them, even other species.
Maybe this law might slow it down a bit, some how I doubt it though, in 2 days it will be business as usual, just higher prices, and bribes, and more false parerwork.
EU officials dont give a rats butt about these animals, they want to get their hands in on the profits that can be gained also.
Just look at the tree monitor trade out of Asia, none of them are CBB, all fresh WC animals, but the paperwork thats signed by local officials has said CBB in the 5th or higher generation since the last laws were passed.
If these laws were anything but a joke they would ban all exports completely outside the country and stop the trade altogether.

And still there is no evidence! What I want to see is notifications or proposals in which I myself can read that the export will be limited! I only have your message on this post!
And CITES does not stop all of a sudden, they usually put out notifications to the parties.
In some cases they did put a instand stop on the trade, but in this case you already know it and the people concerned (exporters) don't? Can I conclude that you work for CITES and have inside information?

And second, first you say that the Indonesian government is putting a ban on it, and some posts later you say CITES is enforcing a ban on it. And I have tried to find notifications with both organisations and NONE have any document concerning the skin/live trade of monitors!

So I ask you again to give a file number or documentnumber so that others and I can verify you claims! That shouldn't be to hard I would think.