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I agree- no disrespect to RD. I should be looked at as an honor that someone would follow siut. But, I think since a different cross was used it should get it's own name. Just like the Lemon Blast is different from the Kingpin. Name away and congratulations, again. I vote "the Margarin"
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Jessica
0.1 pastel jungle
1.1 spiders
1.0 het pied
0.1 pied
1.0 VPI axanthic poss het snow
0.1 het VPI axanthic
1.1 het clown
1.0 DH Jolliff snow
0.1 Albino het Jolliff snow

Sorry, a few typos in there.
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Jessica
0.1 pastel jungle
1.1 spiders
1.0 het pied
0.1 pied
1.0 VPI axanthic poss het snow
0.1 het VPI axanthic
1.1 het clown
1.0 DH Jolliff snow
0.1 Albino het Jolliff snow

the lemonblast is pastel pinstripe and kingpin is lesser pinstripe. not even close to the same morphs involved. Very bad example. See post below.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

And 'LemonBlast' was given to the original LEMONPastel X Pinstripe produced by BHB.

Yeah, you're right, probably not the best example.

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I guess I don't understand why this was a bad example- My arguement was in favor of giving it a name different than Kingpin since pastel butter was used in the cross. My example included Lemon Blast and Kingpin. Both have pinstripe, but different morphs crossed into the pinstripe to get there, Lemon pastel and Lesser, respectively, and thus they have different names (ie., not both "Kingpin" in the name even though they both have pinstipe in the cross). Maybe someone can explain where I went wrong in this example so I know. I am new to the hobbie, but trying very hard to learn.

I was kidding with Margarin ("butter lite" pinstripe), but I guess the humor wasn't apparent. Emperor is a good name- they are certainly stately and I think that they are one of the most attractive crosses I've seen posted to the forum since I've been reading.

Sorry if I offended.

No offense taken...

For me, using LemonBlast as an example is bad because 'LemonBlast' does not mean now what it originally did.

'LEMON Blast' was the name given to the first NERD Lemon Pastel X Pinstripe hatched by BHB.

But, now we call all Pastels X Pinstripes 'LemonBlast' even though a Lemon Pastel was NOT used.

Hopefully that explains it for you.

Lemon Blast is not a bad example to use because of something YOU'VE done. It's a bad example because maybe 1/5th of the LemonBlasts in existence were made using a NERD Lemon Pastel.

Happy Herping!

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

Thanks for your reply. That is confusing. I had been wondering about the Lemon in the Lemon Blast because many texts I've read about the Lemon Blast just say "pastel" and some say "Lemon". So if one were to purchase a Lemon Blast and specifically want one of the Lemon line, you'd need to clarify with the breeder that they are using the Lemon line?

It is all very confusing since the Lemon Blast name includes Lemons or pastels and there is so much confusion over the Butter/Lesser dilema (from reading these threads). When I wrote my original post I thought that they were seperate morphs, not lines. Why don't breeders use Lemon Blast versus Pastel Pinstripe to clarify those lines?

Thanks again.

This would be a very valid point if the butter and lesser were 2 different morphs. They are not, they are the same morph but originating from different breeders.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

OK, I see. I wrote this under the assumption that they were different after reading Ralph's website, under Butter, which states, "butter is not to be confused with the 'Platinum'". I also read John Berry's Designer Morphs and was under the impression that they were different based on that literature. I also recognize that these texts were written a few years ago and understandings of the genetics may have differed since.

I also agree that the nomenclature for different ball python morphs and thier lines is confusing, because there are different names for two "lines" in this case, which obviously threw me off. Since they are still recognized as Butter and Lesser lines, I still think that their crosses with the pinstripe can have different names to clarify the line used in the cross.

Thanks for the clarification. There is alot still to learn.