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I want to say thank you to all who replied to my last post. Unfortunately I didn't get to see all the comments, I've been extremely busy and this is the first time I've been online since I posted her 3 weeks ago.
Well, unfortunately Im not sure what she is. I breed my original spider to a pastel female. I've had numerous clutches from my spider over the years and never got anything out of the ordinary. The female pastel on the other hand was a virgin. And this little beauty was the only fertile egg out of 4.
Now my guess is my pastel female might be a crappie looking pastel calico that slipped threw. After looking all over the web the closest thing she resembles to me is a "super pastel calico".
But I know she's not. So Im guessing she might be a "spider pastel calico" a.k.a. a calico bumble bee witch I've been calling my "Cali Bee". If anyone has any info that could help me figure this whole thing out please contact me. Pics of pastel calicos would be very helpful preferably adults or subadults.
Thank you all again!!!
Jay Caveman Cassidy

Jay she is gorgeous no matter what she is. She does not show the normal pattern of a bumblebee. Maybe she is a super wicked super pastel? either way congradts!!
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Rob Trenor
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Cant be a super pastel, the only male I put with her was a spider and only 2 times.

Thanks
Jay Caveman Cassidy

Ahhh. then it is even more of a gorgeous freak.
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....I would rather have a Bottle in front of me.....than a Frontal Lobotomy....

Rob Trenor
RK Reptiles
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www.ballpythonmorphs.net

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...it looks like it has a helmet and chinstraps!
That head pattern is something else...wow

I don't know for sure what it is, sorry.
All I do know is it's nice to look at.

Congrats.

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

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Whatever she is......That is one AWESOME lookin' snake.

Congrats and keep us posted on her as she grows and breeds.
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Thank you,
She's growing fast. She eats weanling prekilled rats off the tongs already!! She's a beast, almost doubled her size since she hatched on 7/28 eats every 4-5 days. You gotta love good eaters!!

Jay Caveman Cassidy

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Charles Glaspie
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To a pic of a Pastel Calico owned by Desert Dweller Reptiles.

Pastel Calico Pic

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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Looks like a really nice super pastel to me. I recently had a friend send some pics to verify a new morph. They were just mojaves but he swore he never had a mojave with the female. A couple days later he agreed what they were but still says he never had a mojave with the girl. He must of put the wrong snake in her tub. I don't see any spider in her and she doesn't look like any of the pastel calico.

Eric
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That thing is really nice! It aint got any spider or calico in it though! Id say crazy looking super pastel. Did you have a pastel male near her last year?

I don't see any spider, and I could be wrong, but I also see no calico, so no calibee or whatever you wanna call it.

What was the female with last year?

Sperm retention is a wonderful thing it seems. Pretty snake no matter what it is.

I read where you mentioned the only male the pastel mom was ever with was the spider and that this was the only good egg. I'm not aware of a commercial paternity test for snakes but maybe you could find a university to do some custom tests on this girl, her mom, and the spider male to help get to the bottom of this.

One possibility is parthenogenesis where this girl might not have a father. The thing is I think of the two types of parthenogenesis identified in snakes the one where half of mom’s genetic material doubles up (which could produce a super pastel also homozygous for half the other genes mom has perhaps adding to the weirdness) would only produce males and it sounds like this baby is a girl. The kind of parthenogenesis that produces females produces exact clones of mom but maybe this could be a new type where two egg cells merge or something like that.

AWESOME!!!! My vote for the best hatch of the year!...but thats just my 2 cents! Mike

I can't beleave her Head is that blushed out. Maybe it is some kind of super form. Ive heard of Pastels throwing Supers by themselfs. But that one looks Xtra Super. I do see maybe some signs of a spider in there,the white coming up her sides. Who knows, but thats one wicked Animal.

Van
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The mask on that thing is incredible -- very nice congratulations!
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Tosha
JET Pythons

Here are some photos of some pastel calicos that I hatched out. The calico that I bred could have very easily passed for a normal there was a bare minimum of white in him yet he produced some nice babies. I would think that either the spider or the pastel that you used is also a very low grade calico. Either way an awsome looking snake.
Bruce Delles c/o Twin Cities Reptiles

...is just too nice.
It's pattern definitely stands out amongst the other Pastel Calicos I recall seeing.
I wonder what that one will look like in a year's time??...

(I've seen photos of plenty of sub-adult/adult PastelCalicos, but NONE had a pattern near as funky as that one's. Not to mention all that blushing...)

And from a Low-White father too...
Congrats on that one.

BB
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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

I don't see any calico or spider in it either. It does have quite a few flames coming up it's sides and it's belly is extremely white.

Could you post some pics of the sire and dam (along with the obligatory belly shots of course)?

Maybe looking at it's parents we will be able to help you determine if you have a low grade morph buried in there somewhere.

P.S. Like everyone else said... gorgeous snake. Even if she does prove out to be "just" as pastel... she is one hell of a looker!

ralph Davis produced a calico spider it looks nothing like that snake. It's on his 2008 birthing records I think page 5. She's hot!