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Ok, so there has been alot of discussion about Sharp's and Kahl's lately. What about Lipstick's and Orangasm's? Are they separate lines and non compatible with the other 3 or are they just selectivly bred Sharp's/Kahl's? I have been seeing other 'lines' pop up as well. Like a Boaphile line and another that I can't seem to remember right now.

I really like the Lipstick line but I just don't understand where they all fit together.

Thanks,
Randi

Lipstick and Orangasm are both selectively bred lines of the same (genetically compatible) hypo gene.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

For some reason I was thinking they were albino genes. Thank you so much for clearing that up for me. So if the animal is listed as a lipstick albino what does that mean? I understand a DH Orangasm or a DH Lipstick but there several that I have seen that say some thing like "100% het for albino from the Lipstick line" or "Burke produced Lipstick line albino"

I am just confused. I don't see how if they are a form of the Hypo gene how someone can say they are Lipstick line Albinos.

Maybe I can add a little to what Dave mentioned and help out a bit here. The Burke Lipstick Line is a Selectively bred line of Kahl Albino Boas combined with selectively bred Hypo Boa Line to create Kahl Sunglow Boas that Look like The Sunglow Boas in this Burke Ad that flashes randomly at the top of these pages
I'm not sure if this allowed we'll see. this ad pic here

the Albino Boa from that Line are called Lipstick Albino Boas, the DH Sunglows are Called Lipstick Line DH Sunglow and Sunglows called Lipstick line Sunglows.
. . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

They are just lines of selective breeding. An albino (Sharp or Kahl) is a genetic morph. The orgasm and lipstick lines of animals were created by selectively breeding specific animals with great color that resulted in offspring with even more exceptional color. Both the albinos from the orgasm and lipstick line are Kahl. Many people pick out good animals to breed and many produce great looking animals but not everybody decides to coin a name everytime a good looking animal is produced.

Alright that cleared everything up for me. Thank you guys so much. So essentaily they are just really pretty Kahl ablinos from a Lipstick sunglow/hypo litter, correct. So in reality the lipstick part doesn't even apply to an albino, correct?

Lipstick is an albino line not hypo. I think dave might have mistyped.

Lipstick is a line of kahl strain albinos.

Think of it this way there are two STRAINS of albinos. Sharp and Kahl. Lipstick is a line out of the Kahl strain that has been selectively breed to be exceptionally colorful.

Correct. There is no such thing as a het. for orgasm or lipstick boa. You will see terms such as het. for lipstick albino or sunglow but it just means that the animals are decendents of Burkes "lipstick" line of boas. Don't read too much into it, sometimes people will breed a lipstick line to any boa and produce average looking offspring and try and ask for big $. This year I produced some sunglows that were comparable and better looking to some of the lipstick sunglows I seen on the classifieds but I did not decide to "coin" a term for them.

Thanks for the help. I have been looking into the possiblity of breeding boas but there are a few terms and such that I didn't understand these lines being one of the top ones that I didn't understand the connections.

Again, thank you all for your help.

Randi

Maybe you didn't read my post? I thought I made it abundantly clear.
The Albino Boas from that Line are called Lipstick Line Albino Boas,
the DH Sunglows are Called Lipstick Line DH Sunglow Boas and
Sunglows called Lipstick line Sunglows.
. . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I thought it was clear and well said. I have the Lipsticks. I purchased them directly from Tom Burke himself. And as I bring my babies to the shows and so on and so forth, I constantly see why this line is so desirable. At a recent White Plains show, I had numerous people tell me how they blew other Sunglows away and the Albinos from this line looked like other "normal" sunglows. In my opinion, they were worth every penny I spent on them. They are more money than others but well worth it if you want color into whatever breeding project you have going on. Just my two cents. Mike Panichi

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I agree Mike Lipstick S.G. are great. Your S.G. is beautiful. You pick out a good Lipstick not even the best it'll beat most of the rest out there.
The Lipstick are a High Contrast Line as compared to a Pastel Sunglow which is a High base color Line.
The Best Lipsticks and the Best Pastel Sunglow(Pastel Dream) are my favorite Sunglows.
Both have different attraction for me.
. . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz