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Hello there everyone. Now I myself am not much of colubrid person but I am starting to expand my collection. I primarily own pythons and a boa. I have recently aquired of pair of hatchling corns that are currently in shed. Then I a couple days ago traded a couple of normal leopard geckos for this little girl here. I was told that she is a sinaloae but her colours and banding don't match up to any other sinaloaes I have seen online nor the discriptions I have been reading. So I would like to know if any of you may be able to help me out. Here is a head shot of her as well as a really bad body shot since she just started shedding.
Thank you-

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Phil Red Hernandez-

Here is another picture. She is just fresh out of shed in this picture.

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Phil Red Hernandez-

LOL!,.....well, whoever told you it was a Sinaloan was about as wrong as they could be. That animal is actually a rather good example of A Stuart's milksnake(L.t.stuarti), although it could certainly have some other geneflow in it's lineage as well, that is impossible to say for certain without knowing where, or who it originated from.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

That animal, and several other Mexican/Latin American milksmilk's very closely resemble Honduran Milksnakes, and that one would certainly be sold as a Honduran by most as well.

That snake you have "keys-out" meristically, and pattern-wise as a stuarti all day long!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Well I thank you for your help. This snake here gives me all the more reason NOT to trust a certain retailer here in Southern California. I'm sure the guy who bought the snake from them and traded it to me had no idea what he was actually getting other than what he was told.
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Phil Red Hernandez-

Yes,....unfortunately, that sort of thing happens very frequently in the snake hobby, and is all too common an occurrence.

One thing I will say however, and that is he probably got a better deal with the snake he recieved, than if it were a mediocre "run of the mill Sinaloan. There are many folks that wouldn't be too disappointed with the snake he received, albeit it was not what it was supposed to be.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

She looks happier on the second picture!
The band count suggests polyzona and the narrow white bands suggest stuarti along with the pronounced V on the snout.
There were some milks brought in 2 years ago from "Guatemala" that resembled that snake and were marketed as stuarts milk but w/o some better locality info or pedigree, all we can do is speculate on that particular animal.
There's not a hint of sinaloan in that snake if that's any help.
Jeff

>>Here is another picture. She is just fresh out of shed in this picture.
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