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Daytona Envy - my new snakes

FunkyRes Aug 25, 2008 05:18 PM

I will be picking up at least one more (probably two) at the Sac show in September - but this is what I've picked up so far this year.

Not too much, but I've got hold backs that I need to keep room for.

Anyway - I haven't posted a pic of him yet, but:

Male Blizzard Cal King:

Got him at San Jose show - I was looking for a male amel, blizzard was nice as it gives me another gene to play with in the future. He will eventually be bred to my lavender line in hopes of eventual hyper lav.

Look closely at the pic - I think the flash exposes the stripe down his back.

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Female Axanthic Brooksi (lemke):

She's pounding large pinks, took 3 large pinks last feeding and the lump didn't last long - I'm going to move her up to peach fuzzies next feeding. She came from Tom.

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Off Topic - Reverse Okeetee het motley, anery

I actually bought her for my little brother, but I'm raising her up to weanling eating size (about a year, maybe less as she's a good eager feeder).

He really wanted a Reverse Okeetee. The anery gene I personally could care less about, but it was neat to find an RO het for motley. Eventually (his male corn gets first dibs) she will be bred to my lavender motley (50% het amel) to start an opal motley project.

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Coming in a few weeks from Sac:

one definite, possibly two more Cal Kings.
Then no more Cal Kings for many years (er, unless I can get some of the Clovis black bellies in '09 or '10)

Definite Cal King will be a double het (amel and lav) - I want to see if the lav in it is same as my lav, and work towards a double homo amel lavender (even if amel masks lav)

Possible - female striped lav (for the blizzard, and the striped gene). Depends upon whether or not Checker Belly Farms is there, I know his lav is same gene as what I have. He missed 2007 but I thought I saw him listed on 2008 vendor list.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

Replies (17)

STEVES_KIKI Aug 25, 2008 05:48 PM

nice looking RO and the blizzard is very large and healthy looking!!! i know who your getting the double het cal king from and i must say... nice additions
even though i'm on the other side of the country from you... but looks like you have some nice plans!! except the only 2-3 cal kings for a couple of years... How can you do that!?!?! it was hard not keeping my 5 cal kings i hatched out this year!!! i could never go cold turkey
~kin
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FunkyRes Aug 25, 2008 06:13 PM

I have a lot of Cal Kings already, and I need to focus on what I've got. The Black Bellies are something I want that I don't have, I'd want to breed them to keep locality but also breed a male blackbelly to banded lavender to try and make a lavender that looks similar to the Clovis blackbelly phenotype.

The thing is I also want a pair of desert kings, speckled kings, sulfer brooksi (schoolbus yellow would be sweet), thayeri and/or greeri (note to purists - I would personally not make mutts out of either of those two), so until I win the super lotto and buy a 50 acre plot of land, I will have to exert control with my Cal King obsession and work with what I've got.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

FunkyRes Aug 26, 2008 12:50 AM

In addition to black bellies - I also want either a male amel ghost, or a male normal ghost from someone with an CA DF&G RA permit.

But no more room for that this year.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

RossCA Aug 25, 2008 08:54 PM

Nice looking snakes, Funky. That Blizzard looks like an albino Baja king, I forgot the real name. What do you think?

FunkyRes Aug 25, 2008 09:17 PM

I think you mean L g nitida (either that or conjuncta - I forget which is banded and which is striped. I need Brian's book)

Yes, that was my thought - that the hyper in it was Baja origin.

If Randy Wright is at Sac and doesn't look too busy, I'll ask him what he knows of the origin - otherwise I'll call him after show season is over. Given his stock (Rainbow boas, anery GBKs, anery Splendida, etc.) and his So Cal location - I'm guessing he's busy with the show circuit right now and I can respect that.

I've heard of amel desert phase cal kings but not seen one, every amel I've seen has had yellow bands/stripes - but this guys stripe looks cream, not yellow. Maybe that's the hyper influence but maybe it does have nitida influence, as I believe nitida are hypers with cream stripe.

Since it has such a nice stripe (what can be seen of it) I don't think the hyper is mendota or davis, which are an aberrant hyper.

When he's big enough for my 4' female amel, it will be interesting to see what kind of pattern they produce - and how yellow they are.

But I don't want to jump the gun on the yellow - I have a normal king with vibrant yellow bands that started out cream.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

DMong Aug 25, 2008 09:36 PM

Nitida is striped, and conjucta is banded.

Those are nice, are you positive that is a stripe, and not the vertebrae that is visible?, it's hard for me to tell from the pic, but it's nice just the same!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

FunkyRes Aug 25, 2008 09:52 PM

I'm not positive. It will be easier to tell when he has some more size on him.
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

DMong Aug 25, 2008 10:10 PM

Yes, that's very true, a little more age will no doubt help on that. On many pink snakes with no melanin the spinal column is surprisingly visible, and the spine with all the connective tissue sometimes has a slight silvery sheen to it as well when looked at in certain light and angles.

Good luck with it!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 10:54 PM

Did that a few years back....all males and one female..so I sold all the males...kept 1.1

Will breed next year.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 10:56 PM

A male double het (hypermelanistic and albino) to a Blizzard (hypermelanistic & albino).

Kerby...
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Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 11:00 PM

A Blizzard is hypermelanistic and albino, already proven.

I bred a Mendota to a Blizzard and got ALL hypermelanistic het albino...proving that the hypermelanistic gene in a Blizzard is the same as the Mendota.

I also bred a Davis (Rick Staub stock) hypermelanistic with a Mendota (hypermelanistic) and got ALL hypermelanistics.

The Chocolate Banana is also a hypermelanistic.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 11:02 PM

Produced all hypermelanistics.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 11:04 PM

Interesting, most are banded but are still hypermelanistic.

Davis and Mendota = same recessive gene, proven.

Kerby...
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FunkyRes Aug 25, 2008 11:34 PM

What's interesting to me is that the davis and mendota hypers are not only hyper, but aberrant - whereas the normals (at least in Davis, I don't know about Mendota) are fairly typical banded.

So the gene in Davis seems to affect pattern and cause hypermelanism - whereas the hyper gene in some other locales (IE Los Angelas hypers) do not seem to be aberrant, but have the pattern of the locale.

What causes that is something I would like to know.

Are they two different genes that are allelic (same locus), or are they the same mutation and unrelated pattern genes in Davis population result in the aberrant pattern when the hyper allele is there?
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Arrrggg!
It's like Shalom, but for pirates.
- iCarly

Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 11:41 PM

The aberrancy in the Davis and Mendota hypermelanistics is not 100% as I have produced bandeds from both Davis hypermelanistics and Mendotas hypermeleanistics. The bandeds were all females and the ones with the most striping were males.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 11:10 PM

From a few years ago because I have already bred the offspring back to each other for 3 years.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Aug 25, 2008 11:16 PM

Producing double hets.

I kept 1.3 of the stripers that double hets.

Kerby...
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