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What goes Slither - flop flop flop flop?

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 12:19 PM

Daisey after dropping her load of babies.

Daisey has been driving me nuts this last week, due on August 20th give or take, she's been showing signs of being gravid but not been looking that large. OK, small litter maybe? This last week she started moving around, found a "waxy stool" three days ago. The front half of body was all skinny while the later half was larger but not that large. Last night I was feeding yearlings some mice and she was looking hungry so I offered her one, wham!! She's ignored everything for the last several months. I'm thinking maybe she dropped a load of slugs and gobbled them back up? UGH, sometimes breeding can drive you nuts!!

Any ways, late last night I did my final rounds before heading off to bed and saw this...

YUP, she's dropping her litter. Not only dropping them but dropping them out in the open while I'm watching!!! Way cool, most of the time (OK, pretty much always) they drop their litters while nobodies around. I find the pile already out. And typically in the moss hide box.

Was amazing to watch her with her head near her tail, nudging babies with her nose as they came out. Stimulating them into moving. Also, I clearly saw something I'd never seen before, the litter birthing process is not all the babies coming out in a stream. Half the litter was born when I first found her. As she was birthing some of the first ones I saw being born, I could clearly see the later part of her deflate as those babies came out. There also was a mid body bulge. Yup, more babies. Once she finished one group, then would start pushing the next ones down her body towards the vent. Saw this clearly happen twice.

I took lotsa pics so I'll show highlights here and post all the rest in a reply for those that want to see birthing step by step.

Baby being born (birthing sequence #1):

Resting between groups of babies:

While she was resting I looked back at some of the already born ones.

This one is odd colored, and has a yolk, I'm thinking both are related, maybe fertilized late or unable to absorb and is a "preemie" even though all the sibs are well into full term.

There were also a couple in the moss box, this one was stretching the sack:

Then she started working the last group of babies out. I stuck the camera in the cage and took a bunch of pics blind, just aiming the camera more or less in the right direction and snapping away. Many of them came out pretty good. (birthing sequence #2)

Daisey surveying her good work:

All Done, wow she has to have the "flattest tire" I've ever seen:

All in all, 15 babies including the yolker. Not one single slug!!

Babies weighed in as my largest so far this year...

33 Grams - 4
34 Grams - 5
35 Grams - 4
36 Grams - 1
(did not weigh the yolker)

Born at POS + 124
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Replies (18)

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 12:22 PM



Birthing sequence #1


























Birthing sequence #2




















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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

brb_Russ Aug 27, 2008 12:39 PM

that is a great series of pics.

Congradulations on another clutch
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Russ
0.1 Australian Shepherd
1.0 Basset Hound
1.0 Columbian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Guyana Red-Tail Boa
0.1 Pastel Salmon Boa
1.1 Hog Island Boas
2.7 leopard Geckos
Melbourne, Fl

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 02:24 PM

Thanks Russ, it's not often the actual birthing process is seen and even more rarely that it is seen so clearly. Secretive lil things they tend to be.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ReneeValois Aug 27, 2008 01:18 PM

What a wonderful series of great shots showing the whole birthing process! It's a kick to see!

So what are your breeding plans for Daisey and Fluffy's progeny? (I presume you want to get some great little imitations of Fluffy's piebald color and Daisey's intensity.) Does that entail breeding some of the kids with Fluffy?
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Renee
1.0 BRB (Loki)
2.0 amel & anery corns (Foxfire & Daguerre)
0.1 blood python (Duchess, arriving later this month)
1.1 Cats (Nightshade & Cuzzy)

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 02:22 PM

Yeah, the primary intent is to reproduce Fluffy. At this time it's not known if it's genetic or not. First step toward that will be breeding one of his daughters back to him.

Assuming it is genetic, than the goal will be to produce more!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 12:50 PM

Fluffy is the daddy!!!!


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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Jeff Clark Aug 27, 2008 01:05 PM

Dave,
...Congratulations. Now you have 15 more you have to keep.
Jeff

>>Fluffy is the daddy!!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

gfx Aug 27, 2008 01:21 PM

LOL...that's great news for those of us looking for screamers out of the other litters!
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Julie

www.[url ban]/gfx

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 02:23 PM

Exactly why I've let them all go so far!!!!

And go they did!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 02:25 PM

LOL, what's a few more???
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts Aug 28, 2008 04:32 PM

>>Fluffy is the daddy!!!!
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

rainbowsrus Aug 28, 2008 05:36 PM

Not all but darn near. Some pre-sold, some males probably available. But nothing available until after Savannah drops her babies, the other part of this equation.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

FRoberts Aug 28, 2008 05:38 PM

>>Not all but darn near. Some pre-sold, some males probably available. But nothing available until after Savannah drops her babies, the other part of this equation.
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Dave Colling
>>
>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>
>>
>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
>>
>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
>>
>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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=========================================================
Roberts Realm Of Reptile Research
=========================================================
Thanks,

Frank Roberts

I opened my mouth and out flowed a melody black.

gfx Aug 27, 2008 01:21 PM

Congrats Dave!!!
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Julie

www.[url ban]/gfx

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 02:26 PM

Thanks Julie, I'm pretty excited!!!!! It's nice to see this project start off with a bang!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

waspinator421 Aug 27, 2008 02:24 PM

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the AWESOME series of pictures, Dave! I am so excited to see this litter finally on the ground. Now for Savannah.... ahh!

About that odd colored one... since it had a lot of yolk left, do you think it just hadn't gotten it's colors yet? I suppose we'll find out in a week or so, huh.

Congrats!
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Aubrey Ross

©
www.SlipstreamSerpents.com

rainbowsrus Aug 27, 2008 02:27 PM

Exactly what I think, had to do with the lack of absorption. Of course will have to wait and see!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

aanata1 Aug 27, 2008 06:17 PM

Thanks for all the pics!! I am so excited about this litter and Savannah's litter. I'm so excited to see what they look like after they shed! So far it looks like there are a lot of stunners in there! Good Job Daisey! Oh and good job to you too Dave!

I have to add...
YAY!
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5.19 BRB
10.20 BCI
0.1 Kenyan Sand Boa
0.1 Albino Corn Snake
2.8 Leopard Geckos

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