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This is my second clutch to hatch this weekend.They weren't due until the 11th but they figured they would come out anyway. I got 4 cryptic stripes and 2 hets that came from a het female bred by a cryptic stripe male. First time I have hatched these so I am pretty excited.
Scott Austin Reptiles

What's a cryptic stripe? Is it different than a genetic stripe?
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John Vandegrift

They are a variant of a Genetic Stripe, they have broken up Stripes and often times more "side Pattern" than the classic Genetic Stripes.. Some lines produce this effect more than others , not sure why since they all are Genetic Stripes just the same, perhaps another powerful gene is affecting the pattern in those...? Personally I don't really care for the looks compared to a nice Genetic Stripe with a perfect Stripe and zero side pattern, people have different tastes on everything... Basically think of it like how some people like low white Pieds and others only prefer the mid to high whites, genetically the same things just different ends of the spectrum.. Anthony McCain..

Could Incubation Temperature be a variable in how genetic stripe turns out?

I know a guy who bred a nice pair of genetic stripe and the first year all the babies had lots of side pattern and breaks. The next year the same pair produced a clutch where all the babies where much more striped than the previous year. If we where talking one or two extremes in each clutch here it could well be genetic variation but with the same parents and the two totally different clutch results I'm wondering if some environment factor comes in.

Randy, EBN are the ones (I am pretty sure) that coined the name, based on their broken Striped animals. I am not sure where they got theirs from, but the male that produced this clutch was from EBN. I do not think it has to do with temp, because they (EBN) has consistantly produced broken stipes with "their" line, and to date, I am 99% sure, have not produced a full stripe, or maybe just one.

You may well be right that EBN has a genetically different version of the stripe but just to play devil's advocate maybe they are consistently incubating at whatever end of the temp range makes broken stripes. They probably have found a temp they like and have a nice big well controlled incubator and might not play around with it at all.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And since I don't have any unbroken stripes these are my favorite of the two at the moment. The female however was not a het cryptic and I thought I would try the two and see what I got. Next year the girl I got with the male should go and we can compare them then.

Scott Austin Reptiles

Congrats on two great clutches.
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Chris Farmer
Explicit Reptiles

Whatever happened to your retic hatchling that you posted in egg pictures of on the retic forum?

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology
3309 Gardner Hall
Raleigh, NC 27695-7613

just awesome!!!
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Greg Holland
GMHERPS Hunting & Reptiles
www.imageevent.com/gmherps
gmherps@gmail.com

Congrats man! Did you produce a female

Dave

Hi guys,

First off our Genetic Stripes are NOT from a different line of Genetic Stripe. Actually they are the ORIGINAL bloodline that Bob Clark imported. This project was sold to Tracy Barker and then to Ralph Davis. In 2002 I purchased a pair of 100% Het Genetic Stripes from Ralph Davis and produced everything I have to date with that same Het pair. I've only outcrossed to select normals over the years.

There is a possibility that we may have introduced a modifier gene somewhere along the line. Since G Stripes are so robust and such fast growers we are now going on our 3rd generation of Stripes since I purchased the Hets from Ralph. I seriously doubt that temperature has had ANY effect on the pattern of this morph since I've hatched them at many different temps with the same result.

We have been breeding for even more aberrant patterned G Stripes since 2004. Years ago, Celia nicknamed the stripes "Cryptic" just for a lack of a better verbal description. We have NEVER listed these as a new morph nor do we believe that they are. These animals will be no different than any other selectively bred morph in the future.

No offense to anyone at all... I just wanted to clear the air on our position on these Genetic Stripes.

Take care...
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Sean Bradley
Owner : EbN
www.ExoticsByNature.com
www.BallPythonMorphs.com
www.BoaConstrictorMorphs.com
www.CornSnakeMorphs.com

Hey Sean, that was pretty much what I said in my post so I would hope your not correcting me.. I did say genetically they are the same and that they may have another gene in them that affects the way the pattern turns out.. Pretty much what your saying here again I'd say.. Anyway, point taken regardless, take care man, Anthony McCain...