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I'd hate to waste either one, but in a fight (or for food), equal sized (10'?) animals, who would win. BHs are immune to Elapid venom, but a King's is directed towards snakes, so.....maybe?

Constriction by the BH, none by the King. I was also wondering about throwing a Mussurana into the mix, but they don't hit anywhere near that size, and they are not immune to Elapid.

Any opinions?
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2.3 Woma
4.2 Aussie Olives
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1.1 Balls
2.2 IJ Carpets
1.0 Coastal Carpets
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1.2 F2 Carpondros
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0.1 Carpondro
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If they were all equal weight, I'd say Godzilla Still beats Rodan.

A mussurana of equal weight to a BHP would eat it, quickly. Whether or not it would kill and eat the KC would depend on the effects of the KC's venom. They're immune to Bothrops venom but probably not to O.hannah venom. Just be glad mussies don't get as big as KC's. That would be scary.

Doug T

>> Constriction by the BH, none by the King. I was also wondering about throwing a Mussurana into the mix, but they don't hit anywhere near that size, and they are not immune to Elapid.
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>> Any opinions?
>>-----
>>1.1 Blackheaded pythons
>>2.3 Woma
>>4.2 Aussie Olives
>>1.1 Timors
>>1.1 Bloods
>>1.1 Balls
>>2.2 IJ Carpets
>>1.0 Coastal Carpets
>>1.3 Macklotts
>>1.2 F2 Carpondros
>>2.0 Jungle Carpet
>>0.1 Carpondro
>>0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
>>.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
>>0.1 child, CB
>>0.1 wife, WC

I'm not sure about the mussurana doing in the BH. It's venom isn't that potent, even for a snake eater and I don't think it's constricting is any stronger than a BH. Remember what BH's eat in the wild...some of the most venomous snakes in the world. Depends on the venom reaction to the mussurana.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
2.3 Woma
4.2 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.1 Bloods
1.1 Balls
2.2 IJ Carpets
1.0 Coastal Carpets
1.3 Macklotts
1.2 F2 Carpondros
2.0 Jungle Carpet
0.1 Carpondro
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

BHP's don't only eat "some" of the most venomous....they eat THE MOST venomous snakes.
Doesn't mean they wouldn't have a reaction to venom from another species in another country though.
I'd say BHP's can and will.... kill and eat any venomous snake or snake period.
That's their diet.

D.

Reminds me of arguments I had with my brother 40 years ago. "Could a wolverine beat a mountain lion?"
Considering these snakes, how about if you threw in an eastern indigo and all four snakes, King cobra, BHP, mussarana and indigo were about the same size? Say 6' long? I would put my money on the indigo, but I have never seen a mussarana!

Yeah...Indigo's are bad asses too.
That's all the BHPs are anyway....Aussies' "indigo".

How's the family Tim? Haha.

Cheers.
D.

Yeah, they do have some behavior in common - indigos and BHP's. Both are really inquisitive, cruising around their cages with heads lifted, checking me out when I enter the room. One major difference, though. BHP crap is easy to deal with and not offensive to my nose. On the other hand, indigo crap smells like something from a different planet!

I cannot imagine any snake of equal size killing an indigo. Those guys rely entirely on speed and jaw strength to subdue prey. Any snake they put in their jaws is half way down the throat before it is even aware it's being eaten.

The 2.2 are doing fine. Next year, how about a pair of red easterns?

"Next year, how about a pair of red easterns?"

Tim....If I hatch them....they'll all yours.
Haha.

Cheers.
D.

King vs a Indigo would not be much of a contest, imo. VENOM!

Their diet IS other snakes.

However, I did see an indigo once that I thought was a python, in a shop outside Philly. Bugger must have been 9'. Many years ago.

Now a indigo vs a mussurana might be interesting.....hey, aren't Cribos found down there??
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
2.3 Woma
4.2 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.1 Bloods
1.1 Balls
2.2 IJ Carpets
1.0 Coastal Carpets
1.3 Macklotts
1.2 F2 Carpondros
2.0 Jungle Carpet
0.1 Carpondro
0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

The story that turned me onto mussuranas was from Bill Lamar who told of a mussie chasing and eventually eating a D.corais corais.

Being a keeper of bhp's, indigos and mussuranas, my opinion is that if they are of equal weight, the mussurana would be VERY well fed.

A friend of mine was bitten by his small mussurana in a feeding response. He said he had no pain from the bite, but the pain from constriction on his fingers was very uncomfortable. This from a snake that was eating fuzzy mice.

However, Indigos do get bigger than mussies, BHP's get bigger than indigos, and KC get biggest of all of them and have venom. So the title "King" is probably a worthy one.

Things aren't equal and these guys evolved continents away from each other to eat prey the others don't. It's fun to imagine the "battle royale" but each is worth enjoying for its' own merits.

By the way, if the Regal Ringneck were of equal weight in this battle, I'm pretty sure the "king" would be dethroned. Even if it got eaten, its toxic musk would kill the "eater".

Doug T

>>King vs a Indigo would not be much of a contest, imo. VENOM!
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>>Their diet IS other snakes.
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>>However, I did see an indigo once that I thought was a python, in a shop outside Philly. Bugger must have been 9'. Many years ago.
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>> Now a indigo vs a mussurana might be interesting.....hey, aren't Cribos found down there??
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>>1.1 Blackheaded pythons
>>2.3 Woma
>>4.2 Aussie Olives
>>1.1 Timors
>>1.1 Bloods
>>1.1 Balls
>>2.2 IJ Carpets
>>1.0 Coastal Carpets
>>1.3 Macklotts
>>1.2 F2 Carpondros
>>2.0 Jungle Carpet
>>0.1 Carpondro
>>0.1 Jungle/Diamond cross
>>.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
>>0.1 child, CB
>>0.1 wife, WC

Given equal size and weight, the mussurana takes them all down....
I have never kept BHPs or king cobras, but I've kept both indigos and mussurana.

I think you have to work with mussys before you can really appreciate their power- never mind the venom, I'm just talking about aggression of feeding response and pure feeding power....