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What can you breed a Male Jelly Brooksi with to get visable Morphs? (Besides another Jelly/Peanut Butter)

Thank-you,
Bill Black

Het "Peanut butter"

Het Amelanistic T-

"Peanut butter"

Amelanistic T-

"Jelly"

Basically ANYTHING with PB or T- in it

~ZF

if they came from the Love's line of brooks , how about crossing them to a Love hypo---that would be a semi logical choice given the origin? And again until jellies were made noone knew the allelic nature of the pb and t-. heck, who knows what else it might do?
i be creative and would breed it to a bunch of different traits, make some hets/double hets and breed the 2x/hets.maybe even end up with something new.

daveb
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I'd breed it to something that has the T negative or PB/Jelly gene.

For your opinions on what to breed with a Jelly..

Bill

Something I learned recently... the T Negative gene being allelic with the Peanut Butter gene means that it can act as the PB gene. Very interesting stuff! The fact that PB x T Negative = a snake that displays both genes in the first generation (Jelly) is also fascinating.

Are we sure there is such a thing as true Tyrosinase negative? Not sure what tyrosinase-negative means in the hobby lingo. There are snakes that are T positive that are not able to properly synthesize it, therefore the snake would be considered an albino. There could be just as many variations in this form as variations in hypomelanism, and in fact some snakes that are labeled as hypo or peanut butter may in fact be a variation of this form of albinism. Only way to tell would be a true test for the presence of Tyrosinase. Having a genetic flaw that prevents the normal process would give much more chance to affect other processes and produce a “new” or unpredictable result. Like Jelly. How that flaw might interact with other combinations, or even not be heritable, would only be proven or made understandable with lots of breeding trials.

Interesting. So by not "heritable" you mean that the trait is not genetically passed on? I suppose that could help to explain why Peanut Butters are hard to come by, but then again, Rainer is hatching entire clutches of Jellys.

PB is Recessive.

If you bred a PB to ANYTHING you will pass on the gene

Amel T- is Recessive.

If you bred a Am el T- to ANYTHING you will pass on the gene

In theory if you bred JELLY to anything 1/2 will be het PB the other 1/2 will be het Amel t-

I bred Jelly x Het PB and got Jellies AND PB's

I don't have a known het for amel T- but I assume the results would be similar, in that I would get Jellies and Am el t-'s (I do have a normal that is a sibling to my jelly, from the same clutch!!!, she'll be tested next season)

That being said... the genes will be passed on. they don't stop short when they are bred.

I produced a jelly female this season which I will use in a few breeding trails, as some results i've heard of logically/scientifically don't make sense.

I think many people are looking at what occurs with the "jelly" morph as a "phenomenon" but it's really not.

look at what occurs with PB, T-, and Jelly like this:

PB and T- are THE SAME Gene, Expressed in TWO very DIFFERENT ways. When you bred PB to Amel T- you have an intermediate town the two genes.

1.1 "Jelly" brooksi

~ZF

So then perhaps another gene is the modifier that determines whether this gene is expressed as T Negative or Peanut Butter.

Hey Dave , Their is a guy in Georgia doing that already LOL.Chris

oh yeah? who is the mystery man?

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