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"i have a family friend whos breeding full bred sunglows and they're being sold 800.00 and under, the surinames full are under 500.00. . so im sorry to say 1000.00 for a cross breed of the two is way out of line and over priced."

I meailed this person back telling him that I believed 100% Suri. Sunglows did not exist and I received this -

"pure breed sunglows are sold for 25,000 each that are breaders. Their babies are sold for at least 1,000. Sunglows that are mixed and are not pure bread are not worth your price."

I received these emails in regards to my 25% Suri. Sunglows and was like WOW, I could not believe that I received this. As far as I knew there are no such thing as 100% Suri. sunglows, am I wrong with this? Who has credible information as to 100% Suri. albinos, sunglows and hets.?

First off there is only 1 known BCC /Surinam Albino. I don't think that Albino has produced any baies yet let alone ,Sunglows. The Sunglow produced from that type breeding still couldn't be 100% Surinam. There are no Hypomelanistic Surinam out there. So the Sunglow produced from any such pairing never could be 100% Surinam Sunglow no matter what. A Hypo could be a Surinam cross still not 100% Suri. Unless I'm missing something about this question or statement.?
. . . . . Lar M
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Lar,

You are not missing anything. I agree with your post 100%, I heard the same information as you. That is why I was shocked by the email I received. Also, I was told that because my my sunglows were "mixed" Suri. and Columbian they were worth even less. I was like wow, go say that to some of the people that own bloody salmons or albino leopards. Sorry to get off subject; does anyone have any other info. on 100% Suri. albinos, suglows or hets. other than what we have?

Thanks,
Angel

They can be made, but the people with the two albinos havent produced anything? Not even hets? Either they did and are hoarding, lol. One of those owners has a anery suriname, but I have not seen a 100% pure hypo suriname....shame, theya re so pretty as albinos 100% that no one can produce them?

I meant CANT be produced cause I dont think a 100% pure hypo suriname/guyanan has been imported, but I can be wrong, snows are a strong possibility but not even het albionos have been made?

I heard from a reputable source the albino suri hasn't produced and actually had some health issues. What a shame.
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Spencer
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There are three of them in the U.S. one came from germany from suriname, two from suriname direct

Sources? Who has them?

Will Slough male bought from Burgundy Reptiles/Zoological Imports, Tracy Barker loaned out to Nerd I think, and cant tell the third Two I saw come in with my own eyes. I might be wrong, but there might be another pure one in europe, and one in japan but those two are rumors.
I am pretty sure the european one went to Tracy

Thanks for the info. Does anyone else have any other info. on Suri. albinos?

Will Slough has the only existing Albino Suri I think...not sure on the third. Will also HAD the Anery, but it died. I heard he also had a TRUE Hypo but I cannot confirm that 100%. Tracy's has passed is what i heard. As far as the one Willy has, he has had a litter back in 05/06 they were all stillborn I believe 12-14 of them. He has tried to breed it for the last couple of years and he has bred, but the females just didn't take. Heard all this info. from a reliable source who is close friends with him. I'm anxiously waiting on the het. Albino's, maybe next year!

He has been working with them for several years now...
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I don't think Brian has full blooded albino Suris., I think they are 50%.

Brian doesn't have any full blooded Albio BCC/Suri. Although he's been working with this cross for quite some now. He should have the fullest crosses I'd think.That's only speculation on my part. I haven't talked to Will about his in several years either so no update that I could give about his production status.
. . . . . . Lar M
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Didn't Ralph Davis import hets from a Suri Albino from the UK a few years ago?
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Your Sunglows are worth way more than $800.00.

They are stunning and SUPER COLORFULL !!!!!

I've been wanting one but just don't have the funds.

The highest Suri cross that has been bred is a 75% Suri albino.

I think by VCANE.

I remember seeing them and thinking how kool !!!!

Boa Morphs has one the BEST Coral Lines and he is selling albino's and sunglows for $2000.00 and up.

They are 25% Suri.

I recently got a Rude e-mail critisizing me and my Jungles.

Must be the same guy.
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Ashley Lopez's Black Forest Constrictors.

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I agree totally Ash...I always find it so funny when people say that intergrades are worth less...

Many of the boas I have are Suriname/Colombian crosses, and in every single case, I paid more than I would have for a pure Colombian with the same recessive genes...

I wish someone could point me in the direction of these 'worthless' crosses I hear so much about, but have never actually seen--because I'd sure like to pick up a deal, LOL

There's a 50% Suri albino in the classifieds right now going for more than $800...obviously a sunglow, depending on the color/pattern, will command a significantly higher price...
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Heather Martin
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Consider the source.
You really gotta ask a person with such profound opinions - What are their qualifications? What is their first hand knowledge/experience on the subject?
If they bothered to answer honestly, I'll bet they'd say "none".
jsc
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You know John that's pretty much my feeling about whoever made these comments. After all their comments about this entire subject are way off base ! LOL. Leaves one to believe they are just blowing hot air.
. . . . . Lar M
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I don't think I have all the answers but I'm pretty confident with my knowledge of boas. When this person emailed me insisting that the information he had about Suri. albinos and sunglows was correct and that my sunglows were way over priced, I was like wow, from what I had checked before 25% Suri. Sunglows were going for over $1600 so I thought I had them at a great price when I offered that person one for $900, however after his email I started thinking that maybe I did not have my information correct. I'm pretty religious on the forum here so I do recall some information but did not want to email back an argument I was not 100% sure of so I offered instead to post here and get some input from credible people.

I have to say that I do feel relieved. Thanks everyone for your imput.

...consider his motives. He's really just trying to bring your pricing down. One of the most insulting and, in my opinion, ineffective “bargaining” tactics is to downplay the quality and value of your animals/items. Nevertheless, people do this all of the time. If he doesn’t like your animals, why contact you at all?
i.e.: if your animals have such low value, why would he be interested in how you price them?
I wouldn’t give it a second thought, though I know that’s easier said than done.
You, too, Ash!
You guys keep doing what you’re doing and don’t sweat the false critics.
Aaron

Great advice Aaron ! If you have produced quality Boas you know their worth. Although I understand your doubts smart ask a few questions on the forum.
. . . . . Lar M
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