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How do you produce an Albino Piebald? Is it a albino x piebald? Is there a book can teach me this? Thanks a bunch

pinstipes

albino x piebald would give you all double hets for albino and piebald. You breed the double hets together and you have a 1/16 chance to make an albino piebald.

How would I learn about what you just told me? Thanks

I think nerds website has a genetics guide. Albino and piebald are both recessive traits, so you could look up any website explaining simple recessive inheritance/genetics and how to do punnet squares. Things get a little hairy when you have codoms but even they are easy to figure out with a little practice. Good luck!

Someone said;

Things get a little hairy when you have codoms

That is so sad that anyone believes this. May I take a moment to explain?

"Codom" as used in the reptile trade is a term used for a dominant trait in which the heterozygous form is both visible and different than the homozygous form.

Thus a pastel jungle is in reality a visible het for super pastel.

That said, if you simply look at the traits as being "heterozygous" or "homozygous" then it is EXACTLY the same as recessive with the obvious exception that the hets are visible. Then all one need do is replace het with "pastel" or homozygous with "super pastel". Done.
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I've seen quite a few threads about het markers on these forums. The difference between codominant mutant genes and other mutant genes is that the codominants produce obvious het markers and the others do not.

Paul Hollander

How is that different from what I said?

>>I've seen quite a few threads about het markers on these forums. The difference between codominant mutant genes and other mutant genes is that the codominants produce obvious het markers and the others do not.
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>>Paul Hollander
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No essential difference, just a different slant on it.

That post should have started with "Agreed", but I got in a hurry and forgot it. Sorry about that.

Paul Hollander

I get what you are saying, but for someone with minimal or no experience with genetics, codoms might through a monkey wrench, albeit and small one, into the equation (hence why there are usually questions about them in the forums). I would imagine someone with little experience would have an easier time doing a punnet square for a true ghost x clown rather than doing a square for a lesser paste x spider for example. Same principles apply, just the latter requires a little extra thought than the former.

Kthulhu said:
I get what you are saying, but for someone with minimal or no experience with genetics, codoms might through a monkey wrench, albeit and small one, into the equation (hence why there are usually questions about them in the forums). I would imagine someone with little experience would have an easier time doing a punnet square for a true ghost x clown rather than doing a square for a lesser paste x spider for example. Same principles apply, just the latter requires a little extra thought than the former.

That is my point. It is exactly the same thought. A het is a het and homozygous is homozygous.
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I understand the comments made on Codoms and Res. but I would have to say the princiables are the same; however, in real life codoms are easier simply because you can look at the little faces popping out of the egg, or even for those who can't wait candle the egg, and say this is a gene caring (pastel, spider, whatever) where as with ressives you can only say this is a possible het.

Please note: I am speaking of het to het breeding, or het to normal breeding, we all know that there are 100% hets from visible rec. breeding.

Codoms you can always see your results where res. you have to prove them.

Just my 2 pennies,
matt

I picked up a book about a month or so ago called Genetics for Herpers by Charles Pritzel. It is an easy read with short chapters but if covers all the basics of Genetics and has some stuff in it that you mostlikely wont really care to much about but it is good. It was was only like $11-$12.

The real trick to learning this stuff is learning punnett squares, how they work with simple ress. codom, and dom genes.

matt

I also think you need a book, like Genetics for Herpers or Elrod and Stansfield's book, Schaum's Introduction to Genetics. In my opinion, web sites can't devote the care and space that a book does.

Paul Hollander

Google 'genetics wizard' and you can plug in your morphs and see what the punnett squares will look like. Albino and Pied are both recessive, an animal has to have the recessive gene from both parents. If the animal only has one of the mutated genes (say mama snake was a albino and daddy normal) it will look like a normal but carry the recessive gene (and be sold as heterozygous animal). If you take your albino female and breed her to a pied male, you will get a clutch of double heterozygous (carries both albino and pied genes), all will look normal (phenotype=the way they look) but will carry both albino and pied genes (phenotype=the genetics they carry). The snakes look normal because the albino and pied genes are recessive, ie you need both the parents to carry it so it can match up and not be overpowered by dominant gene. If you breed double hets, you need some luck (pure odds says 1 in 16), and might be able to produce an albino pied. Striped albinos are in the same world. I am currently working with both projects and think these these will continue to prove a rarity. Ask anyone who's breed double hets, luck often does not work in your favor.

Hi Pinstripe.

You need lots of patience time and money.
I'd get the pied male and then a few unrelated albino females.

Breed the pied to the albinos and produce DH pied albino. I would keep 2.6 of the offspring. Wait 2-3 years while the females grow up.

Breeding the DH males to all 6 dh females. This gives you pretty good odds of getting at least a couple of the albino pieds. HOLD back any male albino pied you produce!!!!!!! Then you can grow it out and breed it back to the mothers. and produce 4x's as many albino pieds and ALL offspring will be at LEAST Double hets.

If you look at it DH albPi x DH albPi gives you a lot more than just albino pieds. You get albinos 66%poss het pieds Pieds 66% poss het albino and 66% poss DHs.

It is not a bad deal.

JMTCW
Lee Van Hyfte

Ps. I will be trying to make DHs this year if my male pied is not too busy!!

Just remember that any ress combo takes 2-3 years to make so it takes a lot of time.

matt