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Interesting Argus Observations (and some pics)

Chance Sep 03, 2005 09:51 AM

Okay, so I've had my arguses now since Tuesday. Not terribly long I know, but in that time I've been witnessing some very peculiar behavior. At least to me. Granted I'm not the most experienced Varanid keeper out there...hah, that's a laugh. Actually, almost all of my reptillian experience resides in large snakes or venomous ones. I've always had a great respect for Varanids though, and have kept a few in my earlier times - the typical sav and nile easily bought at a show for $20, and even a blackthroat I kept for nearly a year. I liked the blackthroat's personality, but decided I'd rather wait until I could provide the setup for a lizard more suited to what I like - specifically, the Aussie goanna-type. A friend of mine put up his Argus trio last week, and I made the decision to get them. This trio consisted of 1 adult male, 1 adult female, and 1 juvenile female. And no, I don't need the spiel about how difficult it is to sex monitors, trust me, I'm finding that out myself right now! These sexes are just probables, except for the male who has fathered a clutch before.

I put the smaller individual in her own 55 gal tank (a temporary set up until she's sold - I was just wanting the two adults) and put the adults in a somewhat spacious 8' x 4' x 7' enclosure I "inherited" when I adopted a giant burm a couple years ago. Almost from the get go, the two larger ones have been acting peculiar. And again, this is coming from a snake guy, so this peculiarity may be completely normal to you folks who are experienced with Varanid social behavior. To make a long story short, the female often climbs aboard the male, appearing as though she is trying to copulate with him. To me this seemed odd...the female assuming the male's role. He usually just starts moving when she does this, not trying to fight her off necessarily but just move. They also really check each other over at times, appearing to intently scent each other's heads, bodies, etc. I've even seen the female nip the male a little while doing this. Not a hard bite or anything, just a curiosity bite...weird.

The attempted copulation thing was what was really throwing me. I mean, if they are 1.1, why on earth would she assume the male's position unless she was actually a male herself. This is understandable, considering how difficult monitors are to sex, but would still be somewhat disappointing. However, after getting some feedback from some people 'in the know' (including FR), mounting each other doesn't always have to do with sex, but rather is more of a dominance thing. This is understandable. Yesterday, I was able to visit a while with the herpetology professor at my university who is doing work with Acanthurus monitors. While we were looking at the animals, sure enough, in the tank with a for sure pair, we saw her climb onto him and do the exact same thing my guys do. Okay, so mystery solved...sorta. Her getting on his back doesn't necessarily mean she's a he or anything, it's just a dominance thing.

So now I'm just sitting back and enjoying the show. They never do anything uninteresting, be in changing position while basking, roaming the cage, eating (wow!!), etc.

If any of you other argus folks read this and want to comment that my observations jive with your observations, please feel free to do so. I'm attaching some photos to the bottom here. Enjoy.

Male

Female

Smaller Female

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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

Replies (3)

Shawdow Sep 16, 2005 10:06 PM

Beautiful argus monitors. Ive been tempted to get some lately. There awesome. I keep blackthroats. They are fun. But not as fun as argus are from what I hear. But yes that is just a dominance issue, even though you already figured that out...But so far, are you enjoying the argus monitors so far?

Chance Sep 19, 2005 10:24 AM

Thanks for the compliments. I definitely am enjoying having these lizards, even though they are BOTTOMLESS PITS. I'm not sure it's even possible to completely satiate them. They've put on a lot of weight since I got them, and hopefully will be willing to produce sometime in the near future. Even if they don't though, they're amazing animals. I do think these are much more suited to my Varanid tastes than the African savannah-type monitors.
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Chance Duncan
www.rivervalleyexotics.com

paine Sep 27, 2005 06:10 PM

very nice ones you have there... i was thinking about geting one or 2 also. Dont know if i should tho. I have an ackie right now and hes cool but hes just a little guy. If i do get one it will be a Flavi X Argus cross. In hope that the temper will be better then a normal. Does anyone actualy know how much you should feed them, based on size? cause im sure your not just supose to feed them till they pop ha..
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