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Probably trio of Argus x Flavi, questions.

Spider_Guy Feb 07, 2006 08:44 AM

Hello, my name is Kevin, and I have recently picked up a trio of Argus X Flavi, or so they were labeled. They probably are, I just don't trust vendors' out for a sale. I will post pics this evening before work, assuming all goes well. This is not my first experience with monitors, I kept a nile (not a 25$ baby from a reptile show, but still too much monitor for me at the time.) He was about 3.5' and doing great. I gave him to a friend who could provide a bigger setup for him though. My biggest Argus X Flavi is probably close to 3.5' (very rough estimate) with a female a little smaller, and a 2.5'ish male that was sold to me thin saying "he wouldn't breed when fat, so they kept him thin." He has eaten very well on f/t though, and is fattening up nicely. I am building an enclosure, but it's not together yet. is 8x4x4 good? 8 long, then 4x4.

I will end on that, I posted it all in the Monitor main Forum and then realized that Argus have their on forum. Forgive me, I work third shift and just got home, lol. Anyways, for those who are curious...That nile is still going strong, lol. I have only lost one monitor, a savannah I bought sick thinking I may be able to help somehow. I have 1.2 Argus x Flavi, 1.0 Timor, and 1.0 Red Ackie.

I'm out, I will check back this evening, nice meeting you all!

Replies (7)

matthewschaefer Feb 07, 2006 02:18 PM

Kevin,

In response to your first question, I would create the cage larger than the 4x4x8 dimensions, assuming you are planning on housing the trio together. That said, I would not house the trio together at all. Females will fight with females, and males and females will occasionally squabble, especially over food items. Housing a pair in the same cage will prevent enough challenges concerning monitors in the Argus complex. I frequently have to separate Argus x Flavi pairs. A 4x4x8 enclosure would be the minimum enclosure recommended for an Argus pair.
As far as substrate choices, I would use dirt and lots of it. You can get this from your backyard, a nursery, or a home improvement store. You need the depth of the substrate to be at least 24". You can accomplish this by purchasing a stock tank, filling it with dirt and building the rest of your enclosure on top of and around this tank.
I would make the cage opening from the top rather than opening from the front. Try negotiating an adult male Argus out of a frontal opening cage, you'll soon see why. You can keep a front opening for cleaning purposes, but if it opens from the top, you can drop your food in and get to a monitor easily than coming at it straight on.
To line your cage, you can purchase FRP at Lowe's and Home Depot for about $25-30 for a 4x8 sheet.
I'm glad they are eating like champs, put some weight on that male. How large are the monitors presently? If they are sub-adults, they need to be out of that cage. These are very active reptiles, using every bit of their enclosure. I housed a hatchling in a fifty-five gallon for a very short period, within months he was ready for a much larger enclosure. Although you have them in temporary enclosures, the female needs to get out of that dog kennel. How can you properly respond to her needs or how can she have access to heat, humidity, etc. She is losing a lot of heat this way. I don't mean to give you a hard time, but you need to get them out of those temporary enclosures ASAP. You could construct makeshift enclosures in an afternoon using plywood and 2x2's.
The ArgusxFlavi crosses are kept and behave much like pure Argus. They can be slightly smaller and more easy to work with, but neither of these are very compliant to handling. Every single Argus or cross I have owned has hissed at me simply opening the cage, unless I have food, which they are eager to lunge at.
Here are some websites with some very helpful information:
http://www.pizards.com/hbd/argus.html

http://www.kingsnake.com/monitorfaq/species.htm#7.2

Where did you get these monitors? I sold a male/female Argus/Flavi pair and a young Argus male in December to someone. The size of your monitors is very similar to the size of the ones I sold. The young male was in great shape. It's easy to start jumping to conclusions. Would you mind sending some pictures. I wonder if they are the same three. I could send you some pictures to see if this is the case.

Spider_Guy Feb 07, 2006 08:02 PM

Alright, sorry no pics yet, I over slept. The largest female is probably in the 3' range, and the male and female I would say 2.5'ish. I am picking up 2 4x4x2 enclosures I had been building for some boas tomorrow, and since the monitors need them more than my boas do for now, they will get them. Should I line the entire tank with FRP or just the bottom? I will keep the single pair of them together, and what size is best for a lone female?

They will be out of their temps tomorrow afternoon. Also, the pic you provided was the same monitor I got. I purchased them from a gentleman at a local show named Jason.

Thanks for all the help, it's much appreciated, and I will post pics of the monitors in their new setups tomorrow night.

matthewschaefer Feb 07, 2006 11:33 PM

I would line the entire cage with FRP. A 4x4x2 is too small for a pair even as small as they currently are. A female nearing three feet needs a much longer cage.
The picture that I sent you was of a male Argus/Flavi, he was almost four feet long.
The female he was paired with was about three feet long.
The young male Argus was about 2-2.5 feet long.
I sold them for a pretty good deal, I'll be sad if they were sold to someone else. I should have kept them.
Anyway, good luck with your setups!

matthewschaefer Feb 08, 2006 09:44 PM

If you truly want to view a magnificent setup, check out the photo gallery of the user registered under vmelinus. I routinely check his photo album and am quite admiring of the enclosure he constructed for his Argus/Flavi crosses.

vmelinus Feb 09, 2006 12:26 PM

Thanks for the compliments Matthew, I am glad someone enjoys the photos I have posted.
Here are a couple of pics of an argus cross hatching from this morning.


Monitor pipping

A couple hours later

Thanks,
Dave

tjsreptiles Feb 10, 2006 12:27 AM

real fun to work with if there well fed and right cage space make sure you got at least a foot or 2 of dirt in there for them
good luck!
enjoy!
tjsreptiles

SHvar Feb 21, 2006 11:13 PM

No mistaking him for a pure argus (I dont like pure argus near as much).
Distinct head shape..

Distinct pattern,lol.

Hes a big boy, young yet, hes 4ft or so now.

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