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Does anyone have any pics of a Hypo Blackthroat?

We are very lucky at this time to not have those types of things to keep us interested in monitors. At this time we enjoy all monitors and really admire pretty ones.

There are a lot of pretty(hypo) baby albigs, but to be hypo they have to grow up and stay that way. The problem is, none have, once they mature, they turn DARK and thus not hypo.

So I guess you can call them, temporarily hypo, which as mentioned, there are bunches of them.

Why, you have one? show us. Cheers

No I do not have one, but I saw a baby (temporary) Hypo Savannah at the NY show and was curious if there were any on the BT side.

These guys change coloration depending on mood or heat.
As with BT theirs quit a lot of variation from and within populations.
Last month I saw an extraordinary BT, and believe me a saw many thru the years, this one was orange and black, it clearly stood out from the rest of the shipment, I regret not knowing any serious BT keepers for such an awesome monitor. As you know 90% of those imports will die of neglect in there first year.

If those numbers are correct on the mortality rate it must be true for other monitors as well, it seems to be the same with many Boids and Colubrids. We have come to a point where there should be a ban on imports of most animals that are dying in numbers like that each year. I have imported my share of animals over the years and from my own experence there are enough cb animals available that there should not be the need to import these animals any longer! Of course there should be exceptions to a total ban, for zoos and the like. Big Jim

as long as disposable imports generate income (you know bulbs-cages-heat divice-vitamines-vet care) there will always be imports.
This has been going on for 30 years already, the problem is the dang keepers keep listening to stupid literatures that are aimed at failure (failing is profitable) if 50% of all keepers would be successful, the market would be saturated with cbb reptiles.

I noticed savannahs at $24 in the classifieds, this is double of what they went for last year, a very good improvement. Eventually African imports will become more expensive, maybe not in my life time? But they will.

Dealers you are responsible, stop selling them cheep, you can import less and ask a little more and still make a profit with accessories and such, stop the nonsense.

We as keepers can and will eventually force you to stop by signing the ban on imports, its been don with other species before.

increased legislation is rarely ever a good idea and often a very very bad one with far-reaching and unintended consequences. I would be extremely careful before I endorse anything that makes our hobby more restricted in any way.

Tom

That’s the point Tom
It’s only a hubby! Unfortunately involving live animals.

After keeping Reptiles for over 40yrs I can understand your point of course, but now I think something has to be done for the animals. Thousands of Reptiles dying each year is not the answer, and its about time someone did something more than talk about it. I am against big brother or the gov telling us what we can like any other American, but what has been happening would be a crime if we were talking about lets say Dogs or Cats. Jim

what are you talking about? it happens with dogs and cats at a much larger scale....those numbers are really hundreds of thousands...

Very true, but then again from what I have seen over the years there are more people not equiped to keep Reptiles then those that are! its sad but true. No heat,not enough,to much! Improper Diet, and basic lack of knowlege. Most monitors and snakes need only basic care to do well in captivity, its sad that most dont recieve it. Its nice to see people like the ones that visit this forum are trying to do the best they can to learn and keep there animals properly. Jim

Yes Jim its nice to see peoples willing to learn about there captives, unfortunately theirs a real problem nowadays, in the old days peoples would come to me (or any breeders) and deal one on one, get the facts strait, if the keeper was serious he was given the tools to be successful.
The problem now is the breeder sales an animal to the keeper and the keeper turns to Joe Blow for guidance! Resulting in failure. Theirs just so many care sheets on the net, even I am tempted to try them?

Of course you can understand when we helplessly see our babies dieing in such hands, its gets frustrating in time , sometimes to the point we no longer feel or want any responsibilities.

I hate to post in such a negative way, but the reality is not to bright is it?

Hello,
I say get more information out and educate all the newbies on the proper methods to keep these animals alive. Break the death cycle and the animals don't have to be replaced as fast- slow the demand... heck some of these newbies that listen may even help to provide cb to the market... Best to you all- Mike

It doesn’t work, it never did.
At least not to any significant extend, only 3-5% of herper’s will be successful with their captives. 20 years ago only 3-5% where successful, 20 years from now, probably 3-5% will.

However the % of successful breeders have exploded in recent years, but this is an economical feature and have little to do with the general herping community.

Hopefully all those cbb leos-beardies,crested,balls and a multitude of offered species will bring real education to the public.
But as of yet I do not see this, what I witness is simply more captive produced reptiles suffering the same crappie and slow death there wild counterparts are suffering.

Hello Jobi,
I guess I don't have a pessimistic outlook... I have seen alot of animals die, heck I have doomed some myself... I have also seen an explosion, a movement of varanid keepers who are following the lead of FR... Years ago varanid breeding was very scarce, that is just not true anymore- they can and will breed- I know that- I believe that. If the Asians are doing it and the Australians have done it since the 70's then we can turn it around here in the USA. I bought land to work my monitors, I can't be the only one buying AG land to further their interests. I definitely disagree with the idea that I have to have a law baring down on me to get me to make the right decisions. I can see your point, I just see the solution happening before my eyes, here and varanus.net. If the animals are being kept in poor conditions then perhaps we should come down on those trading in them under these poor conditions and not those of us trying to do something positive with them. Again, I don't think that blanket legistlation is the answer... Besides, if we ban all importing, how do we get the new species? Should the zoos be the only ones allowed to have these wonderful creatures (and those perenties just bred in Asia etc.)? That's what they want...is that what you really want? Also, the number of animals that are exported for pet trade is modest, very modest compared to the number that are killed, skinned and exported for the vanity trade... Best to you- Mike

Mike, you are right and there should not be a total ban but maybe some sort of guidlines. The numbers of animals that are lost every year is just plain crazy! I have friends that bring very nice animals into the country with limited mortality but these tend be the high end animals that are taken care of even overseas where they are collected. A million people a year die of Malaria around the world, I guess the plight of a few thousand repiles is low on the priority list. Australia seems to have done well enough with a total ban on exports, but its sad to see thousands of Parrots killed as pests but cannot be exported here where they are valued so much as pets. Rambling Jim