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regurgitation

mr-python Jul 06, 2006 02:55 PM

today i found that my ackie had regurged the crickets he ate this morning. im trying to think why he would regurg and im stumped.

his temperature's are correct. 125-130 this morning, it's usually anywhere from 125-135 in the course of a day. it was just crickets which i feed him everyday, the only thing different about them was that they weren't dusted. i did put some rollie-pollie bugs in there because ive read that they help "clean-up" any organic material in the cage. do you think he could have ate one and that made him regurg? should i have a fecal done to check for parasites?

im really worried about my little ackie and any help is really appreciated.
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-Marshall
1.1.0 ball pythons
0.0.1 red ackie

Replies (9)

mr-python Jul 06, 2006 04:41 PM

sorry i forgot to include that the 125-130 is his basking area. his cool side is 75-77.
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-Marshall
1.1.0 ball pythons
0.0.1 red ackie

FR Jul 06, 2006 08:02 PM

First off, consider your direction, parasites???? on a monitor that was just hatched? then consider its parents were captive hatched and so on and so forth for many many generations. This line of thought is most likely of no use.

Also I whole heartedly recomend you slow down of the worry thing. Worry does absolutely no good other then cause you problems. It will not help the monitor.

You cannot worry about every little thing.

On to your problem. You must understand, that a cage, its conditions, and the actions of the monitor are all related. Its very possible that your monitor has reached the limits of the cage and its conditions. That is, your conditions only allow so much to be digested. If they cannot digest in a normal sequence, they regurg. Its not the monitor, under its own choice of conditions, they can eat huge quanities and very very large prey items. In your cage, they do not have a full choice.

Also consider, you do not to give them a full choice, you may consider balancing it out. Like feeding less food at a time and feed more often. Or just feed it less and it will grow slower but will not regurig. You can feed to the limitations of your cage. If you understand this, then you understand, its not only the monitors ability, or the cage conditions, but also your input as well.

What I have hoped to teach you is, you cannot set up a cage, put a monitor in, and let it make music. I do not care what set up you have, you have to control both the monitor and the cage. You must "monitor" the progress and make adjustments. You are "the" keeper. You have to adjust to replace what the monitor would do on its own.

Consider, in nature if a monitor needs change, it changes. If it needs different temps, it gets them. If it needs to rest, it rests.

Which brings up my last thought. Sometimes you should allow you monitor to empty its stomach, They do not need to eat every single day. A rest here and there is not going to harm them and may be of benefit.

The above is considering your cage conditions are fine and not too wet, too hot, too dry, too cold or any combination of these. Cheers

mr-python Jul 06, 2006 09:37 PM

Frank, what do you think i should do? do you think my cage is too wet? i had been wetting it more often because he has some shed on his tail that seems to be stubborn. today the humidity in the cage was 45% on the hot side, 55% in the middle, and 70% on the cool side.

im very new to monitors and i find it hard to read my monitor like your saying. i want to learn how to do this better so his cage will be better for him but i dont know where to start.
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-Marshall
1.1.0 ball pythons
0.0.1 red ackie

crimsonwolf1313 Jul 06, 2006 10:22 PM

Now i'm no vet or monitor expert I only have 2 years experiance with Timor Monitors but i've kept reptiles all my life. I know sometimes they can gorge themselves and just have to throw up some of there food to make them feel better. I've had some just throw up food and they wait a day each and have no problem. For all i know it could be just a bad bug they ate that day or they just didn't feel good. Don't worry so much as long as he/she keeps drinking and takes food in later depending on age and wieght depends on how long u should wait, a day or two without food is not going to harm ur monitor too much, if at all.

As for the monitor doesn't get to choice its location or habitate thing from the person above... its true they dont but i haven't notice they changing they digestion patterens... at lest not in the reptiles i've compared in Captive populations to wild populations. My studies are mainly in CA snakes and geckos so monitors are still new to me. So ya thats just my personal imput... give them a day and see what happens and try a different food item maybe.

On a side note, the rolly pollies if they're from outside and your not sure if they have pesticides on them or not i would remove them personaly.
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Leo Gex
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1.0 Giant normal phase het for temper albino
0.2 Giant temper albino
0.2 Temper albinos
1.0 Tangerine Temper albino
0.1 super-hypo Tangerine carrot tail/head
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0:1 Blizzared
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0.1 jungle rainwater albino
Others:
1 snapping turtle
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and 2:0 chinchillas

mr-python Jul 06, 2006 10:56 PM

no, they dont have pesticides. my parents dont use pesticides, they dont like them. ill probably remove them, i just read that they were a good "clean-up crew" for organic materials in the cage.
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-Marshall
1.1.0 ball pythons
0.0.1 red ackie

Lucien Jul 07, 2006 10:01 PM

Roly Poly bugs? Are you talking about pill bugs? If so those things can be rather deadly for anything to eat. They secrete some nasty chemicals... I can't remember the exacts behind it but if you're talking about pill bugs... I'd try to get them out of there....you don't need bugs... if your soil is correct, microbes will help with the breakdown of organice waste if thats what you're worried about.
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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boas (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
7.11.7.Leopard geckos (2.1 Blizzards (Caine, Phoenix, and Mirage), 0.2 Tangerine Albinos (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short, and Casper), 1.0 Tremper Albino (Mycah), 1.1 Triple. het blizzard x tang albino x patternless (Malice, Malfeas), 1.0 Full Stripe Chocolate Tremper Albino (Discord), 0.1 pastel (Raven) and 1.5 Normals) 0.0.3 het albinos, 0.0.2 patternless blizzard/albinos, 0.0.2 - 50%possible triple hets (blizzard x albino x patternless)
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros) (R.I.P. November 18, 2005)
13 rats (plus pups)
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
2 cats (Ashe and Hercules)

mr-python Jul 08, 2006 01:20 PM

can you provide me with a link to somewhere that it says that isopods secrete nasty chemicals? ive never read of, heard of, or seen them secrete anything. their only defense that i know of is rolling up into a ball. i looked online on a few different websites and saw nothing about them secreting anything. could you be talking about millipedes maybe?
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-Marshall
1.1.0 ball pythons
0.0.1 red ackie

Lucien Jul 08, 2006 01:48 PM

I've seen various sources.. mostly books...nothing online so far. I have seen them raised for food for some reptiles but I've also seen some non-native reptiles react badly to them as a food source... I believe one of the books was a Reader's Digest Field guide to North American Flora and Fauna.. another was an article on pest control and symptoms to watch for in Toddlers from the poison center in a book. That book I don't remember the name of... it was a while ago that I've read this... But it was several different sources.. I remember looking it up one year in highschool since it was going to be a scient project for a science fair...but I ended up doing something different that year with sonar frequencies in whales and dolphins...

My policy.. when in doubt... take it out... all I'm saying really I guess...

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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boas (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
7.11.7.Leopard geckos (2.1 Blizzards (Caine, Phoenix, and Mirage), 0.2 Tangerine Albinos (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short, and Casper), 1.0 Tremper Albino (Mycah), 1.1 Triple. het blizzard x tang albino x patternless (Malice, Malfeas), 1.0 Full Stripe Chocolate Tremper Albino (Discord), 0.1 pastel (Raven) and 1.5 Normals) 0.0.3 het albinos, 0.0.2 patternless blizzard/albinos, 0.0.2 - 50%possible triple hets (blizzard x albino x patternless)
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros) (R.I.P. November 18, 2005)
13 rats (plus pups)
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
2 cats (Ashe and Hercules)

kap10cavy Jul 07, 2006 10:09 PM

Keep your little sister and everyone else away froom the cage.
The lil' critter is probally scared senseless.
I use earth worms for cleaning, they also make tasty snacks for the lizard to dig up.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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