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Pueblan - Corn Hybrids

pinstripe107 Sep 09, 2008 05:38 PM

Can someone please post a picture of a cross between a pueblan milk snake and a corn snake?

Replies (9)

DMong Sep 09, 2008 08:45 PM

n/p
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

SweeneysSerpents Sep 09, 2008 09:31 PM

Natural intergrades are cool, I personally hate hearing about people breeding things like the one being inquired about.

Folks hybridizing snakes can screw up lineages when a hybrid is passed off as pure. ( and I'm not talking about dogs in this forum)

However I own a large "Columbian" (and I use that term loosly) Boa collection and I'm not sure what the folks did to produce those colors but I don't believe their ancestors all come from
columbia.

Scott Sweeney
Sweeney's Serpents

DMong Sep 09, 2008 10:16 PM

"Folks hybridizing snakes can screw up lineages when a hybrid is passed off as pure."

Agreed,.....it's too bad zillions of other people don't realize that. As a matter of fact, they don't even have to be "passed off" deceptively to find their way in to many unsuspecting collections.

As far as the Colombians(imperator) go, they are very problematic to define anyway, and have a very large range from Colombia/Venezuela, to well into Mexico. They have been confusing to many for a long time. Much of their linege has NO DOUBT been "screwed" with for years in captive breeding programs.

It is very similar to the situation with tropical milks.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

pinstripe107 Sep 10, 2008 09:14 AM

I also think this combination is bad, but I just wanted to see a picture. Which species is more prominent in the phototype? Wouldn't they be hard to keep as they come from very different habitats?

Pinstripe

DMong Sep 10, 2008 10:54 AM

I fully understand where you are coming from, but you can find pics of some of this stuff if you do a google image search, and type certain "key" words involving these hybrids. There are many hybrid forums that discuss those and many other crosses. But this is not the proper forum to discuss these types.

If you go to the main forum page I provided a link to, and look under the red-eyed little green frog, you will see the forum "Hybrid Discussion". This is where all this is best brought up. You will no doubt get MUCH better(and nicer) responses to hybrids there than you will here. Many here(including me) look down on this practice of creating hybrids and crosses. Not because many are not pretty, but because what they have the potential to do with regards to diluting other much purer lines of animals in the hobby. Not just milks of course, but ALL types of snakes.

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

DMong Sep 10, 2008 10:59 AM

~Doug
Main forum page

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

pinstripe107 Sep 10, 2008 11:09 AM

Thanks for the link! They already had a picture of a Pueblan/corn hybrid. It pretty much looked just like an eastern milksnake.

DMong Sep 10, 2008 02:24 PM

and it depends on many factors. F1, F2, and percentage of either species, also figure in individual variation. In most hybrids, generally no two look the same.

End of discussion for me though, now I'm doing exactly what I didn't want to do in the first place,....discuss them..LOL!!

~Doug

Image
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jyohe Sep 10, 2008 05:31 PM

all the snakes I produce are from Columbia......

........Pa.......

yet none are from Colombia.......
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cool...thanxx.....JY
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