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ok, i know that a miami is a selectively bred look or an exceptional normal if you will.
my actual question is when a normal is bred to a miami do you gat a 50/50 mix of normals or 100% normals with miami influence?
just wondering.
adam
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

Hey,..DAD!!!.LOL!

The 'Miami" look is a normal phenotype, so it is a co-dominant trait, not a recessive one. So when you breed one to an average normal type corn, you will get basically offspring that look intermediate between the two. Although there will be some variability among certain individuals as well.

DO-TA DOO!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Is it a single gene that is codominant or is it actually a polymorphic trait?
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6.19 BRB
10.20 BCI
1.1 Mandarin Rat Snakes
0.1 Kenyan Sand Boa
0.2 Corn Snakes
2.8 Leopard Geckos

I guess the term "polymorphic" would have actually been much more accurate, as it is a totally normal phenotype from certain wild populations and/or individual wild animals. What I really meant to say, is it would "behave" like a codominant gene, and the offspring would basically be intermediate with some possible variation within the clutch.

best regards, ~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

'Miami' or 'Dade county' is a locality just like 'okeetee' is. These are basically normal corns that just have a bit of a different look to them based on where they are from. When bred together you'll see kind of a blend of the localities in the offspring. There are a lot of different localities of corns, many of which are not near as popular as the aforementioned okeetees and miamis. A friend of mine I know on another forum posts pics of some very pretty ones in florida that he finds while field herping that have a high red coloration in the background. A lot of the kingsnake breeders really get into locale specific snakes..down to which mile markers they are found between. A good friend of mine sells eastern chain kings completely on their locality down to the county level and he is working with several different localities. I know that a lot of the gray band king people do the same thing. Except for miamis and okeetees, we really don't see so much of a demand for 'locale specific' snakes in the corn world as what's seen with the kings. When truth be told, there is just as much variance seen in the locale specific corns....it just hasn't seemed to stick with the breeders or with the pet trade in general.

with "miami phase" corns its not really a locality (anymore?) but a solid line bred look that originated from southern florida. i cant even for sure say that they were locality at one time because i know many big breeders got their "miami's" from anyone with corns that fit the profile, most of the time no locality data was even offered.
so if south florida as a whole is considered a locality then yes but otherwise no.
adam jeffery
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

Then why the hell did you ask in the FIRST place?...........hahaha!, you know I'm messin' with ya!..LOL!

Yes, it is just a certain "look" that was coined to describe the lighter gray background that was fairly common in the Miami/Dade area, although as you already know, the "look" can come from virtually anywhere else too. AND as you mentioned, the vast majority of these are selectively bred for the trait in captivity.

Just like the "Okeetees", yes locality, and no not necessarily..LOL!

What do ya think of that pic of the KILLER wild caught female from way back when??(about 15 years ago)........she was captured just above Miami in Broward County, and produced many nice clutches. I really wish I still had that gorgeous girl, she was even much better looking than that photo depicted.

later, DAD!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"