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Need help identify this baby

ajfreptiles Sep 10, 2008 04:47 PM

I produced this little one by breeding either my sunglow motley or my Amber to another sunglow Motley female.

Any help? This was taken with flash to show color better.

Thanks Andy

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Replies (9)

ajfreptiles Sep 10, 2008 05:05 PM

The Sunglow Motley male has a clean belly no checkers and it seems to wash with reds and orange....I have red that this could be a marker for the blood red gene. Is it true that the white belly washes over with red color with that gene?

It is either this male for the dad or the amber or carmel...whatever you call them.

Andy
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STEVES_KIKI Sep 10, 2008 05:38 PM

it looks like a normal... i personally believe that if a parent is amel that the hatchling being "het amel" the amel reduces the black pigment in most (NOT ALL) hatchlings. Unless the belly checkers are brown instead of black or black and brown... if the belly checkers are brown then it is a hypo...
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jyohe Sep 10, 2008 06:07 PM

I was thinking het caramel

what else was in the clutch..

(maybe I better read the first post)LOL
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ajfreptiles Sep 10, 2008 06:20 PM

Thanks....I checked the belly checks and they are a very light carmel color....

Andy
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ajfreptiles Sep 10, 2008 06:21 PM

Thanks

The belly scale checks are light brown...like a light carmel no blacks at all.

Andy
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STEVES_KIKI Sep 10, 2008 05:42 PM

it couldnt have been the sunglow father and mother hatchling... sunglow to sunglow will produce 100% amels... so i assume its the amber who fathered the clutch.
ALSO your "sunglow motley" shouldnt have belly checkers.. thats 1 rule of the term "motley" and i have never heard of the marker of bloodred as a red belly... i have multiple amels with red/orange bellies... its just what happens to some amels...
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ajfreptiles Sep 10, 2008 06:28 PM

Thanks...I am trying to remeber where I was just reading about the het marker or just that the bloodred causes the color to wash into belly area....It may not be significant and I may have understood it wrong.
Thanks for the help...I am at least closer to understanding that it may be a hypo.

If the Amber was the dad then would it be a Hypo het Carmel and het Motley?

Thanks

Andy
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STEVES_KIKI Sep 10, 2008 09:55 PM

AND dont forget the mommy... it would also be het Amel

so if you keep the babies and breed them back together you could get all kinds of goodies
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xblackheart Sep 12, 2008 12:31 AM

its not really a marker for a Het bloodred, that I know of. Some bloodreds can have a wash of red over the belly instead of being pure white. Motleys can be the same. i have a couple motleys that have a wash of a coppery brown to their plain(no checker) bellies.

Some of the Het for bloodreds that I have produced have the checkers "pushed to the side", and have a wash of coloring where the white should be. I know the pushed to the side checkering is an indicator (not fool proof) of Het bloodred, but not sure about the wash of colors. Actually, thinking of it, since I have motleys with it(therefore it runs in motley as well), I'd have to say its not.
hope this helps
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