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Looking for some thoughts of what I have. If not a Hybino I think he maybe a Tang or Bi-Colored Albino. This is a quick photo using an external flash his orange is deeper in this photo than what it actually is. The narrow bands of orange is just slightly lighter than the larger ones(visible in the photo with a few of the rings). I was also curious if the narrower rings look thicker than wild-type hondo? If so does this help clarify his morph?

Thanks

Xavier

"If not a Hybino I think he maybe a Tang or Bi-Colored Albino"

*** There is NO DOUBT at ALL it is a bicolored albino(amelanistic), as that is exactly what it is.

First, you have to understand that the term "hybino" is a term coined for an animal that visually displays BOTH hypomelanism(greatly reduced dark pigment), and amelanism(total lack of dark pigment at the same time(double homozygous).

This being said, when the albino(amel)gene is displayed, it "cancels out" being able to see the reduced aspect of the hypomelanism, as the TOTAL LACK OF dark pigment(albino) overpowers the REDUCED dark pigment of the hypo gene, thus, it cannot be seen, or in some cases, barely seen.

When a breeder uses the term "possible"(in this case), it doesn't mean they are clueless as to what the snake's genetic makeup is, it merely means from the breeding that was done, there is definitely(in this case) hypomelanism involved as well as obviously amelanism(albino), but cannot say for certain which offspring in the clutch posesses the additional hypo gene.

I will say, that many "hybino's" when compared side by side to an albino clutchmate tend to be somewhat lighter in their orange/pumpkin coloration, and have sort of a "creamy" hue to their orange. It is VERY possible, and even very likely what you have there IS a hybino,...but to prove this beyond a doubt, you will have to breed it to another animal that is a known hypo, or 100% het for hypo. If hypomelanistic offspring are produced, you know for certain that what you have there is indeed a double expressing, homozygous "Hybino".

Genetics can be very complicated, but hopefully this will help you understand a little better, and not be even MORE confused..LOL!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

The width of the inner bands have absolutely nothing to do with any morph at all. It is just a typical individual variation.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

If you breed it to a Hondo that is 100% het Hypo...and you get a Hypo in the clutch...the snake in question could also be just an Amel het Hypo. It would be better to breed it to a Ghost (all your Hypos would be double het Snow)!

I've seen a few "hypo" Hondos that I would not consider true Hypos. They could be just really clean, pattern reduced or pin-banded “normals”. I think Randy W. produced a few of these cool Hondos last year.

I think Doug and I see this "hypo" issue the same...true Hypos can and sometime do have black tipping, but the "saturation" of melanin is reduced from the normal "wild type". Joe E. has a very cool chocolate Ghost that is het Amel, that shows considerable tipping but is very much still a Ghost (showing the Hypo trait).

Here's a good example of a tipped up true Hypomelanistic Honduran:

-Rusty

Ghost that's het hypo? Is hypo a recessive trait?

Single traits:

Hypos (Reduced black pigment saturation)

Anerys (Normal looking but no red, orange or yellow pigments, basically a black and white snake)

Amels or Albinos (Normal looking but no black pigments, basically a red/orange/yellow and white snake)

Combo traits:

Ghosts (Combination of Hypo and Anery)

Snows (Combination showing both Amel and Anery)

Hybinos (Combination showing both Hypo and Amel)

Pearls (Combination showing both Hypo, Amel and Anery, looks just like a Snow)

Here's a pic to help as well:

Could you also add which traits a simply line bred, co-dom, dominate, recessive? That way I can know how they work with each other for breeding.

Thanks

Xavier

you can't learn all this stuff in one day!

Hey!,...that is really helpful in showing people what looks like what.....very cool!....that was a great idea!

So, are those all co-dominant?, or what...hehehehe!!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I don't mind helping...but MAN!

Try this site out:

http://www.naturalselectionreptiles.com/Genetics/101: Basics.html

Thanks I've looked on this forum alot trying to find intereting post, tried google search for other website and such. Thanks for the link

Xavier

Yes, we see it the very same way on that!

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Thanks it all makes sense yet I'm curious to known what type of trait bi-color is recessive or just selective bred?

Thanks alot its all very helpful

Xavier

"I'm curious to known what type of trait bi-color is recessive or just selective bred?"

*** Bi-colored animals are simply a wild co-dominant coloration from the tangerine phase, if you breed a tangerine to a tricolor you basically get offspring that look intermediate, although some can be more either colored as well, so t is NOT a recessive trait.

The fact that it is whiter than some is simply because when the melanin(dark pigment) is absent and there are no other "underlying" colors to show through once the melanin was removed, some have more underlying colors that would normally not be seen because dark black pigment would totally hide them otherwise....i.e. greenish, yellow coloration.

As more and more influence from the tangerine phase has been introduced into today's albinos from the older original "tricolored" line, they simply become more tangerine orange, or even a solid red as well.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

Also mine white as I mentioned is very bright crisp & clean unlike what it seems normal albinos has. Is this common wit tangs, bi-colored, & hybino?

Xavier