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I bought this boa as a Hogg island but it doesn't look like your typical hogg.

In the industry their usually referred to as "Sunset Boas". What that means is a Hypo Colombian bred with a Hogg Island Boa. In other words it's not a "pure" Hogg Ilse but a cross. It's a nice snake none the less....TC

If you had to guess what would this snake be worth? Just trying to figure out if I paid a fair price. Thanks

$250-$350 sounds about right for one of that quality....TC...Remember though a "good deal" is where both the buyer and seller are pleased.....

The 'sunset' boa is the super form of a hypo hog. So wouldn't this just be a hypo hog and not a sunset?
It is a really nice looking cross, but doesn't quite have the look of a sunset IMHO, but it could be... Breeding two hypo hogs will produce some 'sunset' boas, otherwise called 'super hypo hogs'; they are worth much more than hogs and normal hypo hogs in the market right now.
Just my 2 cents... I could be wrong...
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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
0.1 Anery poss. het snow (Missy)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 DH Sunglow (Bonnie)
1.1.1 Hypo het anery
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.3 BPs (MJ, Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
0.1 Blood python (Akaia)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)

Steph, you are correct. A Sunset would be the Super Hypo form of a Hypo Hogg x Hypo Hogg and Sunsets are usually super clean, which this boa is not. This is a pretty boa but definately does not have the look of a Sunset. So to answer the OP's question, IMO, this boa is a nice Hypo Hogg.
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Alex Tower
Serpentine Selections

I agree that is a Hypo Hog cross...but In my opinion, not all super Hypo Hogs result in Sunsets....You have to have at least one of the Sunset line boas to hit on getting a sunset (either Damiens or Paul Mitchels) of course there may be others by now....or else just get plain lucky to have one yourself.
All Hypos are not created equal...the same goes for Hogs.

Breeding 2 ugly drab boas together may just give you a liter of super ugly drab boas....chances are prety certain no sunsets would come of it.

Just my 2 cents.

Andy
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Yes Andy, I have heard that theory as well, that only certain lineage has produce the Sunsets. Hopefully I will put that theory to the test in 2009/2010 and if nothing else I will get some great looking hypos.

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Alex Tower
Serpentine Selections

Hey Alex, re-read my post on that...because I also said that you may get lucky and have the gene in your animals...if that Hypo Hog you posted is symbolic of what you are breeding then you may have a good shot as well. What I was saying was that not all Hypo Hogs are going to produce sunsets....and that is good news!

Andy
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That's what I meant by testing out the theory, to see if I have "the gene" in my animals, and if I don't then I will do no worse than some colorful hypos.

The pic is of a female that I have that I plan to use in my "test". She is the product of a K Grade Rich Ihle Salmon crossed with a High Orange Hogg Island that I got from a local shop. The bottom half of her eyes are a crazy red/orange looking color. She is quite stunning in person and the old cliche applies; the picture does her no justice. It will be interesting to see what she produces.
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Alex Tower
Serpentine Selections

Well, I wasn't actually aware of the special gene theory, but I hope you prove it out in yours... I was planning on breeding a male poss. super salmontine to a Hog isle gal to attempt to produce hypo hog isle crosses, and then my own unique sunset offspring in a few generations... I guess my efforts will be a test of luck as well then. Bummer there, but like you said... I will no doubt have some lovely offspring from the first pairing and from the eventual attempt at sunsets I hope!
I'd like to see your litter of hypo/hog poss. sunsets in 09/10 when you have them... I wish you the best in your endeavor!

This is my Hog in her dark phase with her hopeful suiter...

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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
0.1 Anery poss. het snow (Missy)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 DH Sunglow (Bonnie)
1.1.1 Hypo het anery
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.3 BPs (MJ, Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
0.1 Blood python (Akaia)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)

I have not tried any breedings towards the Sunset direction yet...I actually may eventually. Here are a few pics of my hypo line...The Incredibles...They may have something a little extra in the red/yellow color department than your everyday ordinary hypos.

Andy

All Hypos are not created equal....

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Those are very nice Andy, love the yellow in the tail
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Alex Tower
Serpentine Selections

Andy, your hypos are always pretty hot! ;p Show off!!
I think the incredible line would prove to be a spicy twist to the Hypo-hog cross... I'd love to see the outcome!
You know, I picked up a hypo salmon from you in 2005 when she was just a little gal, she is three and possibly gravid now... I wish I had some nicer pictures to show you of her, but I don't think I have any that are half as good as yours!
Here is scarlet when you sold her to me... these are the pics you took of her..

Here are my own not so great pics!
A year ago...

Scarlet now... the flash washed her out a bit, but she really retained, and gained, a lot of color.

Not trying to get way off topic with this, but I am grateful you sold her to me, she is a doll and I love having her in my collection.

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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
0.1 Anery poss. het snow (Missy)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 DH Sunglow (Bonnie)
1.1.1 Hypo het anery
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.3 BPs (MJ, Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
0.1 Blood python (Akaia)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)

Thanks for the info Steph....is it Stephanie?
I do remember that little one....I really liked how red she was....she was from my Red line but even though she had a different mother than the Incredibles....the Father was the same....he later proved to be Het Anery. Good luck with your gravid girl....I hope you get a beautiful litter!

Thanks again for the update!

Andy
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Yep, it's Stephanie...
I knew she wasn't from the incredible line ;p(darn it!) but I still think she's a pretty damn-good-looking hypo! I'm biased of course, since she is mine!
Just wanted to show you the before and after shots... although, they didn't 'do her justice' but you hear that all the time! LOL! Really, the flash killed her color, but she's lovely and I thought it'd be neat to show you how she turned out after three years... couldn't believe I still had the photos you sent me... now that was lucky!
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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
0.1 Anery poss. het snow (Missy)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 DH Sunglow (Bonnie)
1.1.1 Hypo het anery
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.3 BPs (MJ, Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
0.1 Blood python (Akaia)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)

What an interesting combo that will be! Hopefully we both either prove the theory wrong or get incredibly lucky, which if we are successful, I guess we would never know if it was luck or theory busting!! Good luck with your goal as well. I would be interested to see how yours turn out also.

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Alex Tower
Serpentine Selections

>>I agree that is a Hypo Hog cross...but In my opinion, not all super Hypo Hogs result in Sunsets....You have to have at least one of the Sunset line boas to hit on getting a sunset (either Damiens or Paul Mitchels) of course there may be others by now....or else just get plain lucky to have one yourself.
All Hypos are not created equal...the same goes for Hogs.

Breeding 2 ugly drab boas together may just give you a liter of super ugly drab boas....chances are prety certain no sunsets would come of it.

Just my 2 cents.

>>Andy

Andy your right about most all of this except one thing. Straight from Damins mouth the originator of the Sunset Boa Line. There is only one Sunset Boa Line that is Damians Sunset Boa Line. Paul Mitchels line of Super Hypo Hogg cross Boas are gorgeous and at least could be compared to Damians Sunset Line in quality. Unless Pauls Line has some of Damians Sunset Line blood in it .It can't be called Sunset Boa nor can anyone elses. Like I say this is not me saying this,this comes from Damian. I was in a discussion about this with somebody else here a while back. I tried to explain this exact reasoning Sunset Boas come from Damians Blood Line. They argued with me that Sunset was a general term like Sunglow Boa. Although many people think it is a general term to represent any Boas that could come from a certain type Hypo Hog Breeding they are wrong. I happen to have an 2002 F1 male from the original pair. I have discussed this topic with Damian a few times,LOL. So I just thought I would throw what info I know out here for everyone.
. . . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Good info...but I thought that Paul Mitchels line was actually looked at by Damien and he agreed that they were Sunsets...I will look into this more.

Thanks

Andy
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some of the names used like hypo hogg seem inappropiate and misleading since the snake is not a hog island but a cross.
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Randy Whittington

I agree. I thought all hypo Hogg crosses were called Sunsets but in reality a lot of "trade names" are misleading and confusing......TC

I agree with you, technically they are Hypo Hogg Island Crosses, but Hypo Hogg sounds better and its a lot shorter to write out!!LOL. But for those who don't know that actual Hypo Hogg Island boas, if they exist anyway, have not hit the main stream, I can see where someone could easily be confused.

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Alex Tower
Serpentine Selections

your corect i was thinking the same thing