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A small pet peeve of mine...

"100% Het" for whatever. That is one of my little pet peeves. A Het is a Het. It isn't 100% Het. It's a Het. The percentage factor is relevant and only relevant in terms of the likelihood of the animal being Het for whatever trait, when and only when it isn't known with certainty. In the case of a Het to Het breeding, all the normal appearing offspring are 66% Possible Het. When only one parent is Homozygous, note I did not say 100% Homozygous, for whatever trait, all the resultant normal appearing offspring are Hets. Period. Not 100% Hets. Somewhere along the line someone thought that adding that 100% in a description somehow gave that little edge over just a lowly Het. A Het is a Het is a Het. Meaning, that animal will pass on that trait to every single offspring that it ever produces. Period.

Did I tell you I had a litter of Boas earlier this year with fourteen 100% Homozygous Albinos!? 100% Albinos! Just a notch above your less fancy plain old garden variety "Albinos". They are 100% Albino. Of course I'm just being obnoxious, but I'm good at that.

Ok, that's all. I'm done now.

Oh, by the way... the female in the picture below is Het for Albino. If she would have reproduced babies this year, she did not, each of the non-100% Albino offspring would have Het for Albino.

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I think a person is entitled to phrase their ad any way they wish. I think the ad should say 100% het for whatever. I have clicked on ads that said het for whatever and then you get into the ad and they then say __% possible het. So that seller wasted my time because I opened their ad and I wasn't interested in a possible het. By saying 100% het you are not misleading anyone or misrepresenting your animal for sale. Not everyone out there is a well established breeder like you are. With all of the scams going on with hets the small guy is the one who suffers because the majority has not heard of them. So the best advise I have is live and let live. It's not a perfect world for anyone. What bothers you may not bother the next guy and so on. Relax a little, life is to short.
Brian

Oh yea, we are going to live and let live, however...

I have been doing this for a looonnngggg time. With Boas since 1984. And well before that a Het was a Het and never a 100% Het. In fact since the first simple Recessive anything was produced, an Albino Corn I beleive in about 1972, a Het offspring was a Het. The "100% Het" moniker only popped up four or five years ago and has now established itself. So somehow, established breeders or not, everyone understood a Het was a Het and a 66% Possible Het was just that, and a 50% Possible Het was just that as well. So near as I can guesstimate, for 30 years or so we were able to communicate with one another using the term "Het" when talking about "Hets" and only applied the percentage with the animal was not a certain Het.

I am relaxed... sort of. Also, I did mention that I am obnoxious. LOL
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Hey Jeff, I understand what you are saying but ever since the market has seen an overwhelming load of possible hets out there....as the other poster has said it does help to see 100% het for whatever...just so you don't waste time when searching classifieds. It might do you well to just do the same at least for hets...just because it does help sales.
Your point was a good one...but I think the tide has this one long gone.

On another note about hets....a pet peeve of mine is that why on earth would people advertise a possible het whether 50% or 66% or 100% for anything less than $100 ? I have seen some hets going for $70 ....my question is why?

If you have hets and want to sell them for less than $100 why not advertise them in your local paper or just give them away as gifts with your more high dollar sales.

All it does to the market when you see a 100% het albino for $50 or $70 each is make people want to pay less for an albino boa....

Albinos are not as easy to produce as people realize...and then just producing them does not mean a good quality one or one that will even survive.

I think we will see albinos come back up in value in a couple years because alot of people will not produce them for what they are selling for now...

That is my pet peeve....but I welcome any and all comments.

Andy
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I agree Andy! Great minds think alike!np
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He,He,He

"I remember.....when we had to walk 10 miles in the dead of winter to get to school"

Life is good when you can get ruffled about boa terms. he,he,he.

I Hate ads that have teeny or really bad pictures......Grrrrr
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I do see your point on the 100% het thing and while I do agree with you, Like already said, I'd rather see "100% Het" than "Het" which is later identified as possible het.

Two of my personal pet peeves.....

Calling animals with a homozygous dominant trait "dominant". For example, a "Dominant Ghost". IMO, dominant should not be used to describe the quantity of genes, it's already used to describe the expression of the trait. A homozygous Hypo + homozygous Anery can be described a few ways....
Homozygous Hypo + homozygous Anery (kinda long and technical)
Homozygous Ghost (better)
Super Ghost (best - yeah, "Super" is slang but is well known)

The seemingly widespread refusal to understand that animals can be (and most times are) "Het" for a visually expressed dominant trait. Prime example is Motley. MOST Motleys are actually het Motley.
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Dave Colling

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0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Exact-a-moon-doe! NP
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I cannot stand the whole dominant = homozygous and codominant = heterozygous. NOT proper genetic terms. It makes it very hard for new herpers to learn genetics with incorrect labeling like that.

I agree completely or 100% if you will!!
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>>I do see your point on the 100% het thing and while I do agree with you, Like already said, I'd rather see "100% Het" than "Het" which is later identified as possible het.
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>>Two of my personal pet peeves.....
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>>Calling animals with a homozygous dominant trait "dominant". For example, a "Dominant Ghost". IMO, dominant should not be used to describe the quantity of genes, it's already used to describe the expression of the trait. A homozygous Hypo homozygous Anery can be described a few ways....
>>Homozygous Hypo homozygous Anery (kinda long and technical)
>>Homozygous Ghost (better)
>>Super Ghost (best - yeah, "Super" is slang but is well known)
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>>The seemingly widespread refusal to understand that animals can be (and most times are) "Het" for a visually expressed dominant trait. Prime example is Motley. MOST Motleys are actually het Motley.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I don't agree a 100% as I don't like to use the term "Super" in regards to the Hypo form as it isn't always visually determined to be homozygous. Where as Super Motley is in deed visually different.

But than again I think there should be a different name for a Super Motley as it is in deed visually different.

I'm not one to say what an animal is to be called but visually different animals should be given their own title. If so than I would except the term "Super" to represent a homozygous dominant trait morph.

HTH

Super Motley
Super Hypo
Super Ghost
Super Sunglow
Super Moonglow
Super Red Devil ... Ok that one breaks the mold!
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1.0 Snow "Khal"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Khal"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Khal" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

I think if you REALLY want to employ marketing, a better term would be "guaranteed het". Psychologically, I think it would prompt more people to buy than "100% het" because then you're still taking chances because you lumped a percentage, or an "odd" in there, even though it's 100%. Psychologically, would you rather have a guarantee of something, or a 100% chance of something? It's obviously the same, though.

As a side note. I think the first person who chose to use the term "100% het" worked in the department of redundancy department. And everyone else who has followed suit works there too, even though there's only room for one employee

Thanks for the laugh Jeff. I appreciate your neuroticism
jb
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"department of redundancy department" LOL
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I am hoping to produce 110% Motley Het Sharps

I agree with what you're saying, Jeff, but believe that it has become necessary to differentiate.

My pet peeve with hets is one previously mentioned in which you see an ad for something like a double het snow and waste your time clicking on the ad to find out that it’s from a dh snow to dh snow breeding. Hence, a possible het and not a het as you were saying. Since so many people do this, I think that’s where the need of the “100% het” label comes in.

Jonathon’s idea about “guaranteed het” would work as well though. I may try that next year if you don’t mind, Jonathon…

Another pet peeve of mine is seeing baby hypos represented as “supers” if both of the parents are not proven supers. “Probable super” is a good name for something that looks like it’s a super. If both parents aren’t proven supers (and this is rare), they’re still only possible supers and “probable” is just someone’s opinion. You can’t know for sure until you breed them.

Aaron

I agree there seems to be the misleading that is possible when trying to sell something. I've see the headline that reads "Motley Albinos" only to find a Motley Het Albino, (Opps. I mean a 100% Motley 100% Het Albino) for sale or some other combination that isn't what they lead you to beleive it was.

Great stuff!
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Or would it be 100% het supermotley 100% het albino?
Ha!

I've been guilty of this I admit it. Mainly because so many people were or are unclear about the term Het to begin with. I fell into the habit when describing a Boa carrying a recessive trait to be clear that it is heterozygous not possibly heterozygous and obviously not Homozygous. It is ridiculous and shouldn't need clarification, although often does. I do like the "Guaranteed Het" idea it'll catch on.LOL
. . . . . Lar M
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I may have actually done it myself too but still don't like it and just don't like that it caught on really.

A Het IS a Het.

Thanks Larry!
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Just for clarification...

This Boa is 100% of the following:

100% Female
100% Albino
100% Hypo (Which is actually 100% Het for Super Hypo)
100% Polygenic Pastel
100% from my Pastel Albino Line
100% Rat Eater (Huge Pinkies right now)
100% F1 from my original Pair of Boas that I 100% bred for the first time in 1985 producing that 100% First litter Feb. 17, 1986 at 100% 9:00 PM.
100% Cute too!
But only 87.5% Locality Pure Colombian as she is also a 100% F3 from the original Mother of all Hypos that came from Panama compliments of that 100% Boa guy Dr. David Hardy from that 100% great State of Arizona!

Of all of this, I am 100% sure.
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Clearly there are two boas in that pic!!!!!

>>Just for clarification...
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>>This Boa is 100% of the following:
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>>100% Female
>>100% Albino
>>100% Hypo (Which is actually 100% Het for Super Hypo)
>>100% Polygenic Pastel
>>100% from my Pastel Albino Line
>>100% Rat Eater (Huge Pinkies right now)
>>100% F1 from my original Pair of Boas that I 100% bred for the first time in 1985 producing that 100% First litter Feb. 17, 1986 at 100% 9:00 PM.
>>100% Cute too!
>>But only 87.5% Locality Pure Colombian as she is also a 100% F3 from the original Mother of all Hypos that came from Panama compliments of that 100% Boa guy Dr. David Hardy from that 100% great State of Arizona!
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>>Of all of this, I am 100% sure.
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Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

You are 100% Dave!!! Thanks a Lot!
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Ooooooo! I love the one you dipped in the kool-Aid! LOL!!

Jeff that is one Hot Albino!!

Andy
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Then, 90% of the time (used percentage on purpose) you will be asked, "what percent het is it, is it a possible het or 100% het?" Guess it's redundant, but the norm.

That certainly is true. At least 90% of the time.
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I am fine with the 100% het being mentioned.. It brings security these days. Cause I seen many ads when it might say ( for example) albino het snow in the subject line, then once you read the ad they are possible hets. Id rather see 100% het mention right away. I see it also to help sales if your selling animals cause there are always newbies around. IMO

I understand completely however, the issue is the misleading advertisement in the beginning that says "Het" when in fact it isn't. Even if they clarified the fact that their advertisement was misleading, still misleading it was. Remember, even though they used the whatever% thing within the ad, they still mislead you. So the % description was still accurate for what they were actually selling. So regardless if that person was to use the 100% description, if applicable or not, they still would have been deceptive. Right?

Most are used to the 100% thing so I am complaining about something that most people have no recollection of anything different.

I guess I'm all 100% completely utterly totally all really soggy wet... but then we all knew that already...
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>>I guess I'm all 100% completely utterly totally all really soggy wet... but then we all knew that already...
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LOL, when you're done pulling babies....The conventional wisdom is to clean up and throw away all the baby slime, not play in it!! (I've seen the video)
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Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Too funny. Nice advice, Im a newbie

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I can't tell you how many times I have received an email or phone call with someone stating that they can get the same boa for _X_ amount of dollars less than what I am selling it for. This statement is typically followed by: "what is the cheapest I can let the boa go for?" Nine times out of ten (or 90% of the time ) the other boa they are referring to is either 66% or 50% het. The term differentiates pricing where it should be recognized. There are a lot of bargain shoppers out there.

I like JB's idea about guaranteed hets. Except that you will start getting emails asking what is the difference between a guaranteed het, 100% het, 66% het, and 50% het…….

It has always been beneficial to me to be as precise and clear as possible. Kind of like labeling a jungle as a Swedish line jungle. Most people know what a jungle is but you still see those ads with junglish, jungle-like, jungle stripe line, and last but not least: jungle looking I wish it was a jungle but it’s not but I am going to call it a jungle anyways boas.

This discussion has however got me to reconsider how I may label things in the future. I am going to label my “hets” as “100% guaranteed to be greater than a 99% het while dealing with whole percentage numbers.” Or something like that, I am not a 100% sure yet.

Finally, my pet peeve is people who are in the right lane at a stop light and prevent me from turning until the light is green.

Steve

Just messing with you. I feel the same way about the het thing.

Take care and hope to see you at Tinley this year.
Tom
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Perhaps the phrase "100% het" came about through breeding possible hets.
Something like "I bred a 66% possible het to a het and got homozygous animals...I guess my 66% het is actually 100%!"

At least they aren't being sold as 100% possible het!lol, I mean, if they are het, there is a 100% possiblity that they are het right?
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Davey Giltner

That could be. That's a logical explanation. So is using it as a marketing ploy. I don't know how it really did start. But then, as stated, it's just a little pet peeve. I have done it myself. I just wish all that were necessary was to label something as a "Het".

Oh, for the good ol' days... LOL
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