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hello everyone i wanted to share detailed pics and personal observations on this cool new morph. the reason being is that myself along with others are having a hard time figuring out just exactly what it is that we are dealing with here it is proven 100% simple recessive. being proven out by a pair of hets. and defiantly has some sort of lack of mellinene. the one i have has none but some of them have weird black speckling on there toffee colored bellys. ive been referring it to paradoxing and for that reason makes me think like most dont, it might have a little bit of genetic value. well only see with that one the important part is figuring out what everyone thinks it is i'de really appreciate any comments and questions to solve this riddle or at least be able to call this animal something besides the "new european line of hypo" i am thinking T pos albino? but have honestly no clue.
it is defiantly different than anything ive seen or owned.
one thing i do know is im glad to have one there awesome and i cant wait to see her as an adult!!!

please dont be shy on this one everyone please comment,
thanks so much,

joe schmidt

This is a tough one. I think it looks like a caramel albino but you will probably have a better idea when it is a little bigger. I am a little envious of that little guy you have there. Nice pick up.

from what I have "seen" via pictures this looks like a T positive trait. I guess we will have to wait and see what the originators decide to call it ;O)
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Chris & Alliey
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AWESOME pics bro!!

The originator of this line is my good friend Filip Longitano, the last several months Filip and I have been working together trying to figure these animals out. Now that I was able to bring the 1st group into the US Filip and I decided that the new owners should also have a say on what they'd like to call them. Right now there being referred to as the European Line or Longhitano line hypo's. But since we really don't exactly know what kinda morph this is, there could still be some debate as to what is appropriate.
I encourage everyone to comment on what they think is going on here. What do you think is appropriate..
The purple eyes and belly are a trip!!
So T ? what do you think?
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Justin Mitcham
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I thought BHB's caramel had a bit more brown. Maybe Brian can post a pic of his so we can compare. I would think a T would have a ton more brown than this snake. I love the white background, but that is what is causing the mystery. I am racking my brain trying to think of any other species that have a white background, but most of the ones I can think of are double recessive or super homozygous forms of mutations. I'm stumped, but I will ponder today and see what I come up with.

Nice post Joseph.
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

My snakes aren't fat, they're big boned.

I say the toffee hog. If nothing else it will distinguish the bloodline whether it be a hypo or caramel. Beautiful pictures Joe!
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Louie Chavez

Looking at the pictures these don't look to have red pupils; do they? If they don't you can rule out Caramel Albino. And coloration wise they really don't look to be a caramel albino.

Do they shed clear? If yes, then you most likely have a hypo.

I would have to say this is either a new line of an amazing hypo or a new color morph completely. But as far as the naming goes leave that up to the originator.

Sweet Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!

Nick & Austin

im not trying to name it we are all trying to just get opinions on the animals. including the creator.
thanks

The eyes are not red but seem to be a very dark purple. The animals are hatchling size so that doesn't make things any easier.
As I pointed out, the originator wishes to get everyones input before naming the trait.
Some feel it is a hypo
Some feel it is a caramel albino
Some feel it is a T albino

T fits well since there are other morphs in the industry that are similar.

Caramel albino is already taken and this trait hasn't been proven compatible.

Hypo fits as well, but it has been taken as well and like above we don't know if it is compatible or not.

In the end this trait will need to be bred to both the hypo and caramel lines in order to get a definitive answer.
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

some reason the "plus" sign doesn't show up when I post, that should read T positive.
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

Caramel and Tpos should be considered the same. As it is thought that a leaky melanin trait is responsible for both types/traits ;O)

Leaky melanin will create the purple we are seeing as well.
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Chris & Alliey
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We'll call them Leaky Hogs!!! LOL

Do you think Blonde Albino is appropriate since Tpos are often refered to as blondes.

I like the term Caramel Hypo..but that may cloud things with there being caramel albino's. Plus I don't know if it really appropriate term for this trait..
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

:O)

Leaky hoggs...lol

I think we will go along with what you guys decide. Has this trait been bred into the established albino lines? Is it compatible?
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Chris & Alliey
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Purple Eyes would make them lean more on the Albino end. A new albino variation?

In Ball Pythons there is a White Smoke, which they are thinking is a form of Tpos albino and it too has scattered few normally pigmented scales. ????? This hog has more color than the ball, but just putting it out there

Color wise, to me, this hog does not appear to be a "Caramel Albino" only because of the crisp white of the background color. The Caramels that I have seen in various snakes usually have the purple hue and are saturated with yellow. Not what this beauty looks like. But like you said these are hatchlings, when they get older/ lager they may get a yellow wash to their color? Is there an adult in Europe of this morph you could refrance to?

It having Purple eyes I would have to say it is some form of new albino most likely a Tpos variation. I am curious to know how/ if they change color as the grow....

We can't wait to see what come of the morph!

Nick & Austin

Do you have a picture of the belly that shows the black pepereing? Is it Black or a dark purple color?

thanks for all the imput. seriously.
there is a pic of the belly justin posted on sep 8th.

joseph

Belly shot really convinces us on these being Tpos.

Was looking around online and saw an adult Tpos from European lines and it had a nice Yellow wash to it, is this the same line your working with?

albinohognose.nl

It would be interesteting to see if the patterning on the belly fades or stays the same os they age.

Nick & Austin

Doesn't Casey Lazik have a line of "hypo" hogs that resemble these? They are very clean with dark pupils.

you are referring to Richard Evans line of hypo.
this line is completely unrelated.
one thing that is a major difference... Mr Evans line has lavender belly's this new line has toffee colored belly's.

joseph