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What happens when you breed 2 spiders together?

You get more spiders...
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when you breed two spiders together, is there a super form? I have always heard that if you get the unlucky 25% of "super spiders" that they all die, just like jaguar carpet pythons. So what ratio of offspring would you expect to get (25% normals, 50% spiders, 25% death?)

If I ever am in the position to name a catchy new morph or new designer combo I think I shall name it "death", lol, how's that sound?
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Jeff Benfer
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Crystal Death, Death by Chocolate... think of the possiblities, lol. OK it's time for me to go to bed now, and I wasn't even drinking tonight so I don't even have an excuse, just plain "crazy" I guess.
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.0 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.1 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

that is not what I meant either...I guess, just as Winston should, I will just have to breed a pair of spiders to see what happens as no one seems to respond as to whether or not there is a super form and if it is a deadly thing to the snake, or otherwise what the super form would be called (and I know that it is not "death"!)

Hi Winston,

I have never heard of it being deadly. The problem is that YOU cannot tell the homozygous spider from the heterozygous spider. SAME phenotype.

I would be greatly concerned about neuro problems as there are enough problems with the average spider. Put it one both sides and it could be enhanced.

The only benefit is if you were to produce the homozygous genotype. IN theory all of its offspring would be spider. BUT it is not worth the risk of associated problems. and you would have too raise up all of the spiders and breed them to find out which had the homozygous genotype.

Better off to breed the spider to a pinstripe. You get more variety, prettier snakes, and less risk of neuro problems.

Lee

Thanks guys. I was wondering because I just never hear anyone breeding spders together or bees together and I heard the rumor of the "death morph" so I was just wondering if the was any validity to that.

I'm not sure if many other than NERD have even tried spider X spider. I do remember a post from someone at NERD to the effect that they didn't notice any unusual rate of egg death in spider X spider clutches so maybe the homozygous spiders hatch just fine. I think The Snake Keeper tried spider X spider last year and perhaps again this year so maybe they could provide some more info.

It's just that no one has come forward and said they have proven a potential homozygous spider (from a spider X spider clutch) to be homozygous spider through breeding. One possible explanation is that spider is a homozygous lethal gene but other explanations exist like maybe just not enough possible homozygous spiders produced and bred to prove a homozygous spider in the last 10 years by people who would bother to post the results. Given the time frame I'm leaning toward the homozygous lethal but I've not heard any direct evidence to prove or disprove that. Someone probably knows but I don’t.

Thier really isn't too much incentive for Spider X Spider breedings or derivitives thereof. The majority of people are using their Female Spiders for combos, and males for their normal Females.
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