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More suboc eggs!

MikeMurphy Sep 18, 2008 06:41 PM

Woke up to find this big female (normal, het for blonde) in the process of laying. She had laid about 6 or 7 but still had a ways to go so I just pushed her nest box back into the cage and left for work. Came home to find a total of 12 good eggs plus one slug. She had also laid one egg outside the nest box last Sunday (9/14). She shedded on 9/5. The egg she laid outside the box is in the incubator. It looks good but seemed a bit misshapen. Every day I look at it and it seems fine. But it was laid several days before the entire clutch. I just assumed it would be infertile. Who knows? Maybe it will hatch. BTW, this is the female in Dusty's book that laid 16 eggs in '06. She was bred with a really nice orange blonde male.

Dusty, thanks for helping me solve this mystery. I've got my hands full with eggs now!

Replies (6)

RandyWhittington Sep 19, 2008 11:32 AM

Congrats on the clutch Mike. I really like that female. She has more of a color change from head to tail than most trans-pecos which makes for great contrast.
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Randy Whittington

dustyrhoads Sep 19, 2008 12:31 PM

>>Dusty, thanks for helping me solve this mystery. I've got my hands full with eggs now!

That's awesome. I just figured that if all of my females this year would have averaged the number of eggs laid by your two, I would have had about 120 eggs. Instead, I had about 85, about 65 of which were good. That was out of 11 females who laid. I lost about 4 good eggs from females laying them in aspen (which led to dessication of the eggs).

I can't take all of the credit for helping your "golden boy" (or should I say goose? ) in the fertility department. Adam Sweetman was a mentor of mine when I first started breeding/keeping subocs, and he was a firm believer in keeping males cool (room temp) and away from external heat. When he told me that, I thought that bit of wisdom was especially applicable for desert (and somewhat fossorial) species such as TPRSs. I was like, "Aha! It's substantially cooler in the shade in the desert...it has to be even cooler underground where subocs sleep during the daytime -- they never see sunlight, etc etc. so suboc males are probably more susceptible to spermatocidal heat than, say, Corn Snakes or Yellow Rats (in whose habitat, by the way, it's even hot in the shade!)." Anyway, that was my thought process, and I'm glad I could apply that and pass it on to other keepers (and actually hear that it helped!).

Well done, Mike. You've obvioulsy got some healthy critters.

Dusty

Suboc.com

MikeMurphy Sep 19, 2008 03:29 PM

Thanks for the replies Randy and Dusty.

Yeah, it's amazing how that worked out. It was so frustrating to see those mishapen yellow eggs year after year. These are much better

lbrat Sep 20, 2008 11:51 AM

Congrats. Mike,she's a looker.
Keep us posted on the hatchlings.
Mike Mitstifer
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

CMSMITH Sep 21, 2008 10:41 AM

that is the best looking suboc in dustys book. Congrats on the big clutch.

MikeMurphy Sep 21, 2008 08:33 PM

Wow, thanks for that. She is a really nice lookign animal. I've always really like how "husky" (as Dusty puts it) she is too. And the white is really nice.

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