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Hey all, has anyone ever heard of actual scent sprays that are made for toad eating herps or know of any companies that may produce such a thing? It almost seems impossible that no one has done it yet. I love hogs and I'd really like to get into more than just westerns without having the ordeal of not only finding toads for scenting (year round) but also paying for them if I even could find them at a dealer. I can catch some really awsome easterns where I live, but do not have the means of aquiring toads around here readily. I'd appreciate any advice or info.

>>>>I can catch some really awsome easterns where I live, but do not have the means of aquiring toads around here readily. I'd appreciate any advice or info.

If there are no Toads, then what are the Easterns eating where you live? There must be some Toads around there somewhere.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
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Very true, there are toads and in great abundance, however, I don't wish to have to keep toads in my house year round simply to feed snakes. I'm trying to avoid that whole ordeal with a product which is why I posted asking that. I know I could gather a 10 gallon tank of toads and scent them year round, but I don't wish to care for toads. There has to be a product out there somewhere.

If you find one then please let the rest of us know!!
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"When your memories are bigger than your dreams, you're headed for the grave" Author unknown

ToadS? Whats wrong with one toad living in a rubbermaid? I like my pet toad. In exchange for an endless supply of worms and crickets, and I used him to rub mice on.

Surely that would work, I know I can keep a toad and scent with it, but my point here is... I do not wish to keep toads or "a toad". Even still, I live in New England, lets say my one toad happens to perish in October or November, what to do then? The snake doesn't eat till spring? There are no suppliers around me that carry toads, I've already checked. I know people keep saying I can scent with a toad, I realize this, I realized it before I posted here. I simply wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of any products on the market. I have actually gotten some info on a line of products called stimu-train which are used by some zoo's and keepers from what I've been told by another source, I'm going to try and find the website of the manufacturer or suppliers if I can and I'll be sure to post that info for you all.
Thanks for the replies.

all you need is a single FROZEN toad to scent all year for all the babies you can produce and all the adults that need scenting.

If you don't want to kill a Toad, fine, just wait until it rains and go pick your choice of the 100's run over and DOR on the road.

Find a small tupperware that is freezer safe, add a tad of water, and forget about it until you need it.

I use about one toad and one lizard all year long, that's it. It's not a hassle, unless you consider feeding your snakes a hassle.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
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nice post joe.

But getting DOR and otherwise wild toads, etc., wouldn't one be opening themselves up to pathogens and parisites?

Isn't there some place that breeds and sells toads/frogs, etc., one could buy one? Would that not be better?

>>But getting DOR and otherwise wild toads, etc., wouldn't one be opening themselves up to pathogens and parisites?
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Of course, and freezing them only reduces risk but does not eliminate it. One should always be aware of the risk, but I assume this guy needs a Toad by his post.

>>Isn't there some place that breeds and sells toads/frogs, etc., one could buy one? Would that not be better?

Possibly, but without a defined source I would not speculate about them being pathogen free. Certain parasites are prevalent in amphibians, which is the whole point of getting them on rodents. Unfortunately sometimes you have to work through that process.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
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AH-HA! Very clear and I understand. Thanks. I see where you're going. I have not read the entire thread and didn't know if Eastern or Western was being discussed.

Yes. Bred rodents. I see.

THANKS!

>>>>Isn't there some place that breeds and sells toads/frogs, etc., one could buy one? Would that not be better?
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>>Possibly, but without a defined source I would not speculate about them being pathogen free. Certain parasites are prevalent in amphibians, which is the whole point of getting them on rodents. Unfortunately sometimes you have to work through that process.
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>>Herp Conservation Unlimited
>>Mexicana Group Directory
>>Photography by Joseph E. Forks
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mk
In Hog Heaven

Ok, you've all missed my point of the original post, repeatedly.lol
I KNOW I CAN SCENT WITH A TOAD... I wanted to know if there were any products out there, I didn't need repeated post telling me I could scent with a toad be it live or frozen. "Products" ... that's what I was inquiring about with you all who are familiar with hognose. Lets end the thread now and I have gotten a lead on what it is I was looking for.
Thanks to all for all your wonderful comments.

Say, they've got all this scent stuff-thingys for fisher people... May look there.

And if you do, and even if you don't, but continue on this synthetic search for toad/frog sent, you are one sick puppy and don't care what you subject your kids to.

WHY go for synthetic when you've been told all it takes is ONE frozen toad to do the trick? You don't have to keep it alive, don't gotta feed it, don't gotta clean up after it.

I don't understand you and what *I* see as your problem.

WHY in the names of the gods would you ever expose your loved snakes to synthetics that will have chemicals in them that can/could/will hurt them worse than anything gotten from a live f/t, roadkill toad/frog (that a vet visit can cure)?

In my opinion, shame on you. Your baby(ies) deserve a better parent than what you are. You should be ashamed.

(off soap box now and running and hiding.....)

>>Ok, you've all missed my point of the original post, repeatedly.lol
>>I KNOW I CAN SCENT WITH A TOAD... I wanted to know if there were any products out there, I didn't need repeated post telling me I could scent with a toad be it live or frozen. "Products" ... that's what I was inquiring about with you all who are familiar with hognose. Lets end the thread now and I have gotten a lead on what it is I was looking for.
>>Thanks to all for all your wonderful comments.
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mk
In Hog Heaven

If you find a product that you can spray on a mouse to make it smell it like a Toad, guess what is going to be in that product? Ah, very smart, Toad! hahahaha

I'm done now
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
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I found what I was looking for. The King Toad 100% all natural scenting fluid, thanks to someone who understodd that the concept of my original post was to find a product over using an actual animal for scenting, but I guess some of you had a problem with that and thought there was something wrong with me for wanting to make life easier, so to those who left the pompas, snide comments and snickered at me, keep on using your frozen toads and roadkill and all the lovely bacteria and parasitic horrorshows that come along with them and I'll be using my new product very soon.

Best of luck!

Good luck to you too. Did you find a 100% synthetic product or did you find 100% natural "Toad" product. hahahahahaha

It's just funny, that's all. Did you think about what 100% natural means? hahahaha Hogmaster???
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
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Joe, you're cracking me up here with your "hahahahahaha's"!

I've not googled the product yet, but da-amn! I'd think Eau d'Herp if 100% au natural would be nothing more than blenderized toad and would spoil, no? Pee-U!

My guess, my humble, unknowledgeable guess, would be anything on the market would have to be synthetic; e.g., chemical. If for legal reasons alone. But, hey! What do I know? Maybe the stuff's pasteurized, homonognized, low fat and has an xpirataion date.

Why haven't the poor garter kind'a folk had this brainiac idea for use on their f/t's with fish scents? Just think o'the money they'd save on salmon and tilapia!

Off to Google-dom!

>>Good luck to you too. Did you find a 100% synthetic product or did you find 100% natural "Toad" product. hahahahahaha
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>>It's just funny, that's all. Did you think about what 100% natural means? hahahaha Hogmaster???
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mk
In Hog Heaven

Well, I couldn't find a dang thing.

I did find that MN has a Mink Frog. Yeah. When handled their musk smells like mink musk. Pretty neat, huh? Gonna have to find me one next summer and see if I concur.
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mk
In Hog Heaven

Firstly, keep in mind the OP is talking about WILD CAUGHT Eastern Hogs - guess what they've been eating in the wild - hahahahahaha

Those off the shelf products are in some kind of oil based suspension usually, and they will extract the oils from the scenting item and add them to it, that keeps them from spoiling, usually.

It's not much different from my method, and that is to make a "soup" that goes from the freezer to the microwave for 15 or 20 seconds and back in the freezer after scenting. When heated the "oils" float to the top of the soup and you just dip the head of the mouse in the soup.

Ok, so we need a disclaimer here, here it is - scenting is not for everyone, and there is a risk. I can't quantify that risk but is fairly safe. I've raised 1000's of hatchlings in my life that required scenting with excellent results. One of my buddies is a microbiologist at Ft. Sam Houston and he checks my critters for me, they are pretty durn clean. Almost every snake will have something, even captive born - do some stool samples and you will see. I suggest to the original poster if he is going to catch wild Easterns, they will have more parasites than most of the Toads they eat by biological concentration. I can see the lung flukes now hahahahahaha.

So if I made any snide remarks, or made fun of the Hog MASTER I do apologize, but I didn't think they were snide and I really wasn't making fun of him until now.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
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Photography by Joseph E. Forks

Very good question indeed. There is a wonderful product available that I actually carry in my shop that I myself have had tremendous success with. It is an all natural spray, no synthetics and after one feeding, you'll fall in love with it. I can't see why you should be ashamed as some people have posted, it's a legitimate question and yes, there is a product.
Drop me a line csherpetological@verizon.net and we'll talk more about it, I'll hook you up.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Chris S.

Care to enlighten the rest of us Chris? I would love to know more about the product you are refering to.
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Jenea
Guardian Reptiles

"When your memories are bigger than your dreams, you're headed for the grave" Author unknown

OK, I'm new to the forum and fairly new to keeping Eastern Hogs, for any length of time at least. I've recently been given one and in my search for info on feeding I've read that feeding mice exclusively to Easterns can cause fatty liver disease. Anybody have any experience with this? I'd rather toads anyhow seeing as it's their natural dinner item

Quig

>>OK, I'm new to the forum and fairly new to keeping Eastern Hogs, for any length of time at least. I've recently been given one and in my search for info on feeding I've read that feeding mice exclusively to Easterns can cause fatty liver disease. Anybody have any experience with this? I'd rather toads anyhow seeing as it's their natural dinner item
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>>Quig

I'd come across the same information, which there's not a lot of; I *thnik* only one study?

Since it wasn't something I couldn't prove/disprove I changed my mind and decided to get a Westie. There are plenty of people it seems that are able to easily maintain their Westies on a herp diet, but it wouldn't have been easy for me.
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mk
In Hog Heaven

Thanks for the reply. Think I'll just go on a toad hunt while the weather is holding up. Maybe I can find a big enough one to keep live.

Quig