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This stud will be one of 3 males used to produce the "Flowers line" of thayeri in 09.

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Chris Flowers

Beautiful snake, Chris - good luck with him. May I ask how old he is?

Tom

See below a head shot of a female I have that looks like she could be his sister . . .

he's a 06

>>This stud will be one of 3 males used to produce the "Flowers line" of thayeri in 09.
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Great looking thayeri....It has that Okeetee corn snake look to it....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Nice one. Can we see all planned ancestors of futur F-line?

Radim
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Radim Soukup
www.kingsnake.cz
Czech Republic, EU

I'll post soon all the pairing for o9 for the future "Flowers-Line"
Thanks

>>I'll post soon all the pairing for o9 for the future "Flowers-Line"
>>Thanks

No harm intended, but I hope you don't expect to produce 'flowers-line' thayeri without being asked if your breeding thayeri are of acceptable lineage.
Are they Vivid, Vermilya, Applegate or such?
You know what I am getting at........

I bred mine for 6 years and never had Lassiter line thayeri......
Even Chris Garcia, Jonel Lopez, Russ Bates, Mike Bodner, Michelle Rogers, David Weymouth (John Cherry maybe) and the such had to get their stock from one top breeders to be considered....pure thayeri breeders.......

And even the 'top' breeders had to get their stock from somewhere......

Sorry,
But if you are not a Vermilya, Gebhart, Applegate, Sipery, Blodie, Kardon (Hammack?)or such you will never be able to call them your own line.....I know...I tried it 6 years ago and it did not work....LOL

My .02 cents......
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I have been expecting this....

Every snake has a beginning... and if you are the one to take a pairing of your choice of blood lines for example Vivid x Applegate and selectively breed them together why wouldn't they be your "line" with Vivid x Applegate blood lines in their family tree?

So define "Line" ?

And are you telling me all the "big name" breeders that have their own "line" actually went out to the wild and collected their own breeding stock and breed them and then sold them under there name?

You can rightfully call the offspring you produce anything you want... you produced them right? So I dont see any problems other... than "mis labeling" animals eaxamples such as hybrids and hets that arent.

And rememeber if this turns in to a debate... it will be a debate on animals that havent even be produced yet LOL

>>I have been expecting this....
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>>Every snake has a beginning... and if you are the one to take a pairing of your choice of blood lines for example Vivid x Applegate and selectively breed them together why wouldn't they be your "line" with Vivid x Applegate blood lines in their family tree?
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>>So define "Line" ?
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>>And are you telling me all the "big name" breeders that have their own "line" actually went out to the wild and collected their own breeding stock and breed them and then sold them under there name?
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>>You can rightfully call the offspring you produce anything you want... you produced them right? So I dont see any problems other... than "mis labeling" animals eaxamples such as hybrids and hets that arent.
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>>And rememeber if this turns in to a debate... it will be a debate on animals that havent even be produced yet LOL

Chris,
I am not bustin your chops in amy way man.....
I just know how these (us) thayeri breedersa are.....
I produced from Mt.Kings X Vermilya X Vivid (via Kims Kolubrids) for many years in the past....Maybe before you posted on this forum......And I was never able to call them John Lassiter thayeri....Many of my buyers would call them thayeri produced by Lassiter, but I never had my own 'line'......

And, as I posted below.....this is a hypocrisy (maybe blasphemy here) stating that Gebhart, Kardon, Applegate, Price, Cherry, Vermilya, Blodie, Hammack, Sipery, etc..... and the such may have been in the 'lumper' category back in the 70s and may have, in fact, been part of the mixicana craze of the time.........

I know that some have added some 'wild' thayeri into their recent bloodline, but does that make all their line breeding "pure"?

I tried my best to breed what I thought was pure.....But HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE??????

I am building a colony of breeders from the same breeders I mentioned above.......I just hope to keep what we have as pure as it is now.....

Chris...I hope some day you/we can have some Flowers line thayeri......But, man it is hard to 'create' your own line here in the mexicana world......LOL
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I also know what you mean about if you not one of the above "big names" you cant all them your own.
But hey bud its time us little guys move up!!!
And lastly my other post is not a debate with you personally its just board spectrum questions for the public so do think its a shot at you

>>I also know what you mean about if you not one of the above "big names" you cant all them your own.
>>But hey bud its time us little guys move up!!!
>>And lastly my other post is not a debate with you personally its just board spectrum questions for the public so do think its a shot at you

I KNOW WHAT YOU Mean man....I've been there.......
Nothing personal at all.....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

In 09 I'll trade ya some "Flowers Line" Thayeri for a pair of "Jlassiter Line"
Sounds like a revolution to me... with our powers combined we'll take over the Thayeri World Mooohaaaa

>>In 09 I'll trade ya some "Flowers Line" Thayeri for a pair of "Jlassiter Line"
>>Sounds like a revolution to me... with our powers combined we'll take over the Thayeri World Mooohaaaa
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

...If you have F1 snakes that are mixed bloodlines, call them your own.

There are so-called "big names" but the relevancy is tied to their time-investment and therefore untimately their honesty level.

The perception is that they are under more incentive to be honest, as they have more to lose if their good name is tarnished.

If you are honest, if you have cherry picked your breeders and they are a mixture of other bloodlines, then they are your own.

This is an F2 generational "Chris Jones" line. I am honest and therefore I am not having problems selling these

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

>>...If you have F1 snakes that are mixed bloodlines, call them your own.
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>>There are so-called "big names" but the relevancy is tied to their time-investment and therefore untimately their honesty level.
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>>The perception is that they are under more incentive to be honest, as they have more to lose if their good name is tarnished.
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>>If you are honest, if you have cherry picked your breeders and they are a mixture of other bloodlines, then they are your own.
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>>This is an F2 generational "Chris Jones" line. I am honest and therefore I am not having problems selling these

Great point there Chris........It is much easier than calling offspring VR X Applegate X Vermilya........
I agree with you and think as long as honesty remains constant then we will all have 'pure' mexicana......
And....I never had problems selling my animals....I did have problems filling waiting lists though, but I never felt comfortable calling them JLassiter line thayeri...
I think I am beginning to think it is not so bad a thing to do....LOL

Thanks for posting on the subject Chris.
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Here's a couple from the CJ line. Enjoy, please

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

That second one is flipping awesome!!!

That exactly what I was talking about!!!
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CHRIS FLOWERS

Lilly and Lemke they were some of the first to bring them into the country. I have some of Lloyds.
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Michelle
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

>>Lilly and Lemke they were some of the first to bring them into the country. I have some of Lloyds.

And...Louis Torres, Retes and Garska.....LOL
There's probably many more that we haven't mentioned.....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Beautiful snake.
Jeff

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