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just saw on urban pythons page that they have het albino carpets for sale, and have done so in conjunction with the german breeders precision reptiles?

am just wondering how the hell the snakes got to canada, does canada have different rules to the US? as i understood it, no aussie reptiles, can be moved between the states and europe??

i mean its awesome its there, and US breeders will be able to get hold of them. But i just dont understand how its possible. Where have the original albinos popped up from?

cheers
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
1.1 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
1.1 something special BRB

aims to work out what all my 66% hets really are, and then go from there. Sky the limit, well maybe

There are some US keepers that have them too.

D.

but how did they get them is what i always wonder. Same with the albino blackhead python in a netherlands collection. The possibility of albinos just popping up in a clutch, amongst private hands, has got to be millions to one odds
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
1.1 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
1.1 something special BRB

aims to work out what all my 66% hets really are, and then go from there. Sky the limit, well maybe

That clutch of 2 albino BHs in a 6 egg clutch WAS hitting the lottery, and they did.

As to Aussie snakes in the US or Europe, there are probably more Aussie snakes in this country and Europe than in captivity in Oz. They have very strict rules about keeping their own snakes in captivity. Some have come out legally recently, like Rough Scaled pythons to a couple zoos, and some have been around for years.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
2.3 Woma
4.2 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.1 Bloods
2.2 IJ Carpets
1.0 Coastal Carpets
1.3 Macklotts
1.2 F2 Carpondros
2.0 Jungle Carpet
0.1 Carpondro
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

We have no "Lacey Act". Therefore, shipping Carpets to and fro with Europe and Canada is a simple CITES transaction, much like a Boa or a Ball Python.

Some US breeders are able to get the CITES paper work to export Australian Pythons.

Yeah, No US breeders need anything but easily obtainable cites, But im confused how to the original pair of albinos or hets left Aus to begin with, as to the Lacey act. Did Australia allow them to leave because there were mutations or was it more less smuggled in? Just wondering, either way cant wait to have a pair of my own someday.
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Pat
"You keep WHAT in your freezer?" "Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

1.2 Water Pythons (Liasis Fuscus)
1.1 (100% het albino Clark Strain) Retics
1.2 Coastal Carpet Pythons
1.1 Jaguar carpet pythons
.1 Nhandu Chromatus
.1 Pitbull Wolfe mix

got to say mate, im not quite sure why you put a smiley face after the smuggling part. The Lacey Act is there for a reason. Would i love an albino aussie carpet, definetely, but would i get one at the risk that is had come in smuggled no way.
The fact that aussies snakes havent been brought out of australia for years and years, and then just recently albino, axantic blackheads, and albino carpets start to pop up. I understand that it is possible for an albino to be produced in a private collection, with a lot of luck, but it seems too many people are winning this lottery lately!!! This morph will change carpet morphs for ever, some insane stuff can be produced now, but at what price and what risk????
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
1.1 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
1.1 something special BRB

aims to work out what all my 66% hets really are, and then go from there. Sky the limit, well maybe

Lacey acts there for a reason, Hm, Honestly, I could care less about any kind of law, In my city its illegal to own any snake that can bite and or constrict, yet I love my snakes and have quite a few.

People have always found a way to get what they want, legal, illegal, in different countries, It makes no difference. The albinos and all those morphs came out of Australia some how, Is there some exception tot he lacey act as far as genetic mutations go?

Id own an albino carpet if it was smuggled, just not if it was Stolen.
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Pat
"You keep WHAT in your freezer?" "Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

1.2 Water Pythons (Liasis Fuscus)
1.1 (100% het albino Clark Strain) Retics
1.2 Coastal Carpet Pythons
1.1 Jaguar carpet pythons
.1 Nhandu Chromatus
.1 Pitbull Wolfe mix

Smuggling is theft from a nation
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Stealing is illegal, smuggling is illegal. We can't pick which laws to break. It's bad enough that some invasive species come in by accident...but some people would like to smuggle something in, then let it go when they're tired of it. "Most" of the rules are there for a good reason. Better hope the Brown Tree snake never makes it to Hawaii.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
2.3 Woma
4.2 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.1 Bloods
2.2 IJ Carpets
1.0 Coastal Carpets
1.3 Macklotts
1.2 F2 Carpondros
2.0 Jungle Carpet
0.1 Carpondro
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

Alright? So your saying That Since we took an Albino out of the wild we stole from government of Australia?

Alcohol was illegal, so is speeding, and Everyone speeds. We all pick the laws we abide by and the laws we break.

In my city, Its Considered a city ordinance violation to own any snake that can bite/and or constrict, how is that relative and why does it restrict my FREEDOM to own what animals I chose, But yet, My Neighbors that havent even graduated High school Have numerous pitbulls all vicious trained to attack and yet there allowed to own them freely.

Regardless, I can honestly Say I am extremely happy that these snakes are here, Illegally brought in or not, Ill have as many of them as i can.

I also can say I hope the brown tree snake doesn't Make it to Hawaii.

Besides, Does the Lacey act permit Un-natural mutations to leave?
I understand protecting endangered species and native species, but an animal that would of died in the wild, why not let the hobbyists enjoy it?
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Pat
"You keep WHAT in your freezer?" "Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

1.2 Water Pythons (Liasis Fuscus)
1.1 (100% het albino Clark Strain) Retics
1.2 Coastal Carpet Pythons
1.1 Jaguar carpet pythons
.1 Nhandu Chromatus
.1 Pitbull Wolfe mix

"Alright? So your saying That Since we took an Albino out of the wild we stole from government of Australia? "

If you took an albino out of the wild and shipped it out of the country illegally, then you broke the law. I find your rationalizing quite interesting. If you decide that the law against murder infringes on your freedoms, then it's ok to kill someone?
Fascinating. Could be why this country is in such moral trouble. If I'm wrong here, please explain why.
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1.1 Blackheaded pythons
2.3 Woma
4.2 Aussie Olives
1.1 Timors
1.1 Bloods
2.2 IJ Carpets
1.0 Coastal Carpets
1.3 Macklotts
1.2 F2 Carpondros
2.0 Jungle Carpet
0.1 Carpondro
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow boas
0.1 child, CB
0.1 wife, WC

thats a fair point, the albino in theory will not survive in the wild (although blondie the original albino did manage to), and so yes i think a hobbyist should be able to enjoy it, but whether the law allows is another thing.
I read though, that the guy that ended up producing the albinos in australia, did try with the government to export albinos out, they could prove they were captive bred etc etc etc, but no luck, in the end they have been smuggled.
I wonder when the first albino olive will show up in someones collection?? Now carpets are here, i understand that people will buy, god im tempted myself, i do wonder how the first guys to have them though, can explain it to the authorities.

and your explanation of you have snakes, where you not allowed them, well im not sure why you telling us this. Laws are there for a reason, what would the world be without them??
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
1.1 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
1.1 something special BRB

aims to work out what all my 66% hets really are, and then go from there. Sky the limit, well maybe

I made the statement of where i live to prove a point of how dracion the laws are. Its only a city oridance violation, just a fine.

I feel the laws surrounding the albinos specifically shouldnt be there, i never said a murderer shouldnt be charged or a rapist shouldnt be in jail. Laws against the ownership of animals are infringements of our rights, (to a certain extent), Laws against violent crimes are not in question and for all you know I agree with them. Certain laws shouldn't exist, plain and simple, while others serve a purpose.

Besides, murder and smuggling snakes are two completely different subjects and i dont really see how they could be compared either.

Albino olives, cant wait to see those either!
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Pat
"You keep WHAT in your freezer?" "Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

1.2 Water Pythons (Liasis Fuscus)
1.1 (100% het albino Clark Strain) Retics
1.2 Coastal Carpet Pythons
1.1 Jaguar carpet pythons
.1 Nhandu Chromatus
.1 Pitbull Wolfe mix