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Did anyone see the leucistic ball python on Bob Clark's website? It looks like the whitest leucistic, it doesn't seem to have any yellow on it. Check it out.

Look at designersnakes.com

Wow, leucistics are not that rare anymore. I heard Vin Russo had 2 more this year. How many is that now, about 15? Still the best ball python though.

>>Look at designersnakes.com
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JMHO, FWIW, YMMV.

The RDR baby is a perfect lucy. Who has the designer snake web site?

Sorry to have to burst your bubble, but even Ralph gives way to the Davies's lucy. All three of Ralph's animals are great, but they all have remnants of pattern - yellow back stripes! The definition of a Leucistic is of ' a white snake with no pattern and having 'dark' eyes'. The Davies's snake is white, has no pattern and has dark eyes.

Actually in the pics, it doesnt really look like Ralph's two new males have a yellow stripe. I think only the one he imported has the yellow stripe. From the pics of his other 3 that he hatched, it looks like the faint stripe that they have, is just a more transparent white. I could be wrong, but that is how it looks to me...
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Josh
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Look at the pic in Ralph's Journal for Thursday Sept. 4th!

Yea, it still doesnt look yellow to me. More of a transparent white, like I said above. If you look close I think you can see what I am saying. I guess Ralph Davis would be the best to say whether it is yellow or not. Maybe we just have different color perception.
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Josh
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bubble I guess it is still intact. Being that we are in this discussion I will add that there is no definitive description of leucism in snakes except for what the Barkers tried to pass off as type 1&2 recently that was later dispelled by people like Mark Seward. In this description layers were discussed, as were black eyes.
In the world of birds leucsism is described as white skin with blue eyes. Vin Russo's and the current Ralph animal are in deed that leucistic.
Unless there is an actual study on snakes for this condition I think that the actual condition would be that with the blue eyes. I would say this because these animals with the blue eyes seem to be that much more rare. As ball python does not come normally in nature with blue eyes and the black eye is the common color. I would expect more is going on genetically to create blue eyes.
Are there different types of leucism as was proposed by Dave Barker or are these black eyed and blue-eyed white snakes different morphs completely? It’s up for argument, because it hasn't been studied. And amateur enthusiasts are only conjecturing the information here, so there is really no room for a bursted bubble. I select the white snake with blue eyes as the actual leucistic because it fits the scientifically studied description in other animal species.

I can't argue with that...only to say that the Davies Leucistic has dark BLUE eyes, not black!

This is from the Bob Clark site about the Davies snake, in a post below you signed in as Eric. Do the two of you (yourself and Bob clack) have differing views on the eye color?
This is probably the most sought-after snake in herpetoculture today, a solid white, patternless ball python. This is an incredible animal! He's bright white with jet black eyes. He was hatched by Eric Davies of Manchester, England. I'm working with Eric and we hope to be able to sell a white snake or two next season. I'm also working with a small group of heterozygous animals here as well. Its an exciting project and I'll keep you posted.

Leucistic is a broad term that simply means colored white. There is nothing that says that the eye color has to be blue to be leucistic. Ask Ralph if he thinks that the Davies animal is a true Leucistic. You can say that you prefer one over the other if that is important to you, but you cannot say that one is not a "true" Leucistic. I think that they are both AWESOME animals and both are obviously Leucistic.
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MikeWilbanks@Constrictors.com

I bow to your wisdom Mike! Eric Davies.