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Hi, there is a gal at the shop I help at that I thought bred 2 snows together. And I thought 2 snows would produce snows and maybe something if both het for a mathching gene.

Well the babies all came out Amel? Sadly i do not have pictures of all the parts to this puzzle just the male snow? which has a pink tone to it. I also did not have my good camera with me, so I apologize for these cell phone pics. As you can see it shows saddles marking but is pinkish, but also has a bit of yellowish on the side of the neck.

In my mind one of these snake male or teh female (not shown yet) is NOT Anery A. So what gene along with teh Amel produces a snow like snake? And maybe a pink factor.

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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

You are correct in your theory. What you have are two snows from different strains of anytheristic genes. And as I'm sure you figured out the Amel gene does match. Not exactly sure which the male is. From my experience one form tends to make the pink colored animals and the other is known for the ones with a green tint. Granted the green ones I have seen all start out pink as juveniles and slowly change to green as they get older. I have seen a few from my friends green adults that did not change very much however. He also tried breeding to a pink individual once and got the same results you did.

So would the pink male be anery b? that makes no sense because then it would be a blizzard I believe. that leaves anery Z, which makes him an Opal? If so, is an Opal still a lot more unusual than teh normal snows, or have they becaome more common.

I just have some bloodreds, but an opal to a blood red, then second crossing could produce plasma I think? I wish the pink snow was a female as I dont have a big fenale for him to breed with. But I also don't know how common amel and anery Z is now, if that is what he is.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

Can't say for sure without seeing pics but it could be a blizzard with a bit more pattern than normal. If that is the case then your amel hatchlings are het aneryA and aneryB.

Well, as you said, without a good pic of both, it's tuff to really conclude anything, but as you guys both mentioned before, there is definitely an unlike gene that is missing to get snow offspring.

It has to be one of a couple things, either the anery gene is Anerythristic Type C (as you mentioned), aka Cinder or 'Z' (named after Zuchowski),sometimes known as "Ashy". These also have a VERY pinkish tint to the blotching.

Or, the other "alleged" snow is really an opal(as previously considered), a combination of Amel x Lavender.

As you know, one of them is certainly not a "snow"..LOL!

best regards, ~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I could still be anery B (charcoal)in play as you earlier mentioned, and be a very exceptionally patterned "blizzard", some can retain a fair amount of pattern at times.

~Doug
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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

OK, the female that was not there, but I'dve seen is very typical snow.

The male which i tried to take a picture of has a pickish tone. When it was up for sale i knew it was something different, but had no idea. I called a "bubble gum phase". Luckily I guess the girl working there bought both snakes, and they bred. Producing all amels.

Now I just have a few bloodreds myself. Money for me as been extremely tight for a few reasons, so I have not added any bloodred stock. YET!

But I can get this for a pretty good deal. And I was wondering if I should get her?

The lavender part could be interesting.
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Big Tom

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Hands off til I turn it down. lol

Seriously Tim, stop up on a Thursday. I really do miss those fun talks we had. Not sure what else to do, but ask at this point.
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Big Tom

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If that picture is not a snow I'll eat my hat..

Obviously both parents were homo for amel.. Part of the puzzle is worked out.. All we need is the key to other side..

To bad you couldn't get a picture of the other suspect animal..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

The female is VERY typical snow. White with saddles. Again the male to me is the one that is different looking.

I hope to remember to take my nikon in and also get teh gal to bring in teh feamle. But my money is teh male is the non snow.
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Big Tom

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>>The female is VERY typical snow. White with saddles. Again the male to me is the one that is different looking.
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>>I hope to remember to take my nikon in and also get teh gal to bring in teh feamle. But my money is teh male is the non snow.
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>>Big Tom
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It's kind of hard to follow you but if that is the male pictured then it definitely looks like a typical snow. I don't see anything about the snake pictured that would make me think anything else
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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The male, definately has a pink tone. Also a yellow or cream markings on its sides from its head maybe 3-5" long.

The main thing that made me think it was him, and not the female is the color. All teh snows I've seen, and not that many, are white. NOT blizzard white, but white.

Hopefully I get to go in this week and remember my better camera.
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Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

>>The male, definately has a pink tone. Also a yellow or cream markings on its sides from its head maybe 3-5" long.
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>>The main thing that made me think it was him, and not the female is the color. All teh snows I've seen, and not that many, are white. NOT blizzard white, but white.
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>>Hopefully I get to go in this week and remember my better camera.
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>>Thanks for reading.
>>Big Tom
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>>www.HerpZillA.com

actually I think you get lucky if you can find a good white snow.
There is usually yellows, pinks and greens. Don't get me wrong, I like snows with color, too but a good white snow is harder to find.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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One of the 2 can't be a snow. I was guessing on that male. I'm more confused than ever. lol

If Mr. Spuckler is peeking in, he can stop up and look at it.

IO was just trying to figure out of something good to keep to breed to a bloodred.

thanks Jimmy
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.HerpZillA.com

>>One of the 2 can't be a snow. I was guessing on that male. I'm more confused than ever. lol
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>>If Mr. Spuckler is peeking in, he can stop up and look at it.
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>>IO was just trying to figure out of something good to keep to breed to a bloodred.
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>>thanks Jimmy
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>>Thanks for reading.
>>Big Tom
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>>www.HerpZillA.com

I would.
It would be fun to prove them out
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Please do bring your Nikon along.. I like taking part in helping solve a mystery.. Pictures may or may not help.. What ever the male is, he was definantly homo amel..

Regards.. Tim of T and J