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A picture and a question

Brad Alexander Sep 26, 2008 10:34 AM

In order to get food in them, I almost always have to feed my hatchling alterna lizards. The ones that are growing well and are still refusing scented pinks, I can sometimes follow up a lizard with a pink while the snake is still chewing and getting down the lizard. An easier method, and one I've heard used, is to attach a pink to the end of the lizard and thus, get more of a meal in your baby snake as well as take the pressure off of having to use so many lizards. I think I've heard of people using needle and thread to sew them end to end. Are any of you guys familiar with such techniques? I would like to try it, but I'm concerned about the thread passing through the snake. My assumption is that it would either be digested or simply pass through and out the snake. I'd hate to cause any problems using the process once a week.

Here's a picture of a 2005 female RR that I got from Ric Blair. I think she is actually a shade lighter than this, but is still somewhat of a dark animal compared to the rest of my stock.

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mike17L Sep 26, 2008 03:03 PM

I have successfully attached pinkies to the legs of different lizard species. It has worked great for me, with no digestion issues what so ever, the string/twine passed with out any problems.
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South Texas Herps

MikeRusso Sep 26, 2008 04:29 PM

I remember reading a "feeding tricks" article many years ago in a herp magazine, maybe The Vivarium that had photos of a pink tied to a lizard with thread.. But, i have never tried it myself.

To be honest I have never even fed a whole lizard to a snake, hatchling or adult. I just scent thawed pinks using the same 6 frozen geckos/lizards that have been in my freezer for years. Then for really stubborn starters i will take a very small piece gecko and stick it in the mouth of a pink.. It works very well for me and I usually get even the toughest starters switched over to unscented pretty quick.

Great topic by the way Brad! This is the type of stuff that helps us all out and it's WAY more productive then fighting about the correct spelling of a rock!

Hope all is well.

~ Mike Russo

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swwit Sep 26, 2008 04:57 PM

>>I remember reading a "feeding tricks" article many years ago in a herp magazine, maybe The Vivarium that had photos of a pink tied to a lizard with thread.. But, i have never tried it myself.
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>>To be honest I have never even fed a whole lizard to a snake, hatchling or adult. I just scent thawed pinks using the same 6 frozen geckos/lizards that have been in my freezer for years. Then for really stubborn starters i will take a very small piece gecko and stick it in the mouth of a pink.. It works very well for me and I usually get even the toughest starters switched over to unscented pretty quick.
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>>Great topic by the way Brad! This is the type of stuff that helps us all out and it's WAY more productive then fighting about the correct spelling of a rock!
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>>Hope all is well.
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>>~ Mike Russo
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I have lots of luck by drying out a lizard then cutting it up into fine particles. I keep it in a deli container and put the pinkies in it and shake them up. It works for me most of the time.

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Steve W.

dustyrhoads Sep 26, 2008 09:20 PM

Wow, Mike.

That thing SCREAMS! Awesome snake.

DR

BobS Sep 27, 2008 06:09 AM

n/p

TonyT89 Sep 26, 2008 04:54 PM

One of my snakes took a f/t baby Uta lizard 3 times. Yet now I'm trying to switch it over to scented pinkie using a Uta scented pinkie and it won't take it and hasn't for nearly 3 weeks now. I tried house gecko scent, Uta scent, live pinkie and no response whatsoever except for the time I fed it the Uta lizards.

Funny thing is, everytime I stick my finger in the tank to pick him up he strikes at me and has bitten me full on, once and I thought this was a good shot to try so I placed a scented pinkie in there and suddenly no more striking, he just flees.

I'm stuck now with no success finding baby utas but adults. Anybody tried tuna in a can and had success with it?

~Tony
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You can never have only one snake!

swwit Sep 26, 2008 05:00 PM

>>Anybody tried tuna in a can and had success with it?
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>>~Tony

Never tried it. But if I did I'd take it out of the can. LOL

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Steve W.

TonyT89 Sep 26, 2008 07:17 PM

AHHHHHHH...I KNOW THAT Steve! lol sorry for the misUNDERSTANDING! but has anyone tried it with success? Has anyone tried anole scented pinkies with success?

~Tony

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You can never have only one snake!

swwit Sep 26, 2008 10:54 PM

>>AHHHHHHH...I KNOW THAT Steve! lol sorry for the misUNDERSTANDING! but has anyone tried it with success? Has anyone tried anole scented pinkies with success?
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>>~Tony
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>>You can never have only one snake!

I've tried the shed skin from an anole and it worked. Just dampen it and paste it on the pinkies head.
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Steve W.

TonyT89 Sep 26, 2008 11:45 PM

Steve,

I only have a frozen house gecko and a frozen Uta stans right now. I will try the anole since it sounds like a great idea also! I never thought it had a chance of working though as many have said that house and medit. geckos worked best. I never had success with Utas which is an odd thing as many have said these work real well also! It seems my picky eater only responds to a real lizard.

~Tony
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You can never have only one snake!

alternater Sep 29, 2008 11:29 AM

Uta's, med geckos, anoles??? Why don't you guys use what alterna consider caviar------sceloporus! ALWAYS worked for me but guess that might be to obvious. Good luck. BA

python11 Sep 26, 2008 11:18 PM

Hi Tony -

I used a ziploc baggie with a live anole in it, rubbed a pinky against it and released the anole. Worked like a charm every time with a somewhat stubborn river road. Eventually I rubbed less and less until it was no longer needed.

The funny thing is that I put a baby anole in with the River Road prior to this. It acted somewhat interested, but never actually tried to eat the anole - as though it liked the smell but not the movement...

It ate, so I never put much more thought into it. At least I got something positive out of an invader species!

Bill

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WJS Herps
Brooksville, Fl
Bill & Jennifer Smoot

TonyT89 Sep 26, 2008 11:50 PM

Hey Bill,

Wow, completely opposite of my problem! Mine loved the baby Uta running around the tank and it fed aggressively. It also wrapped its body around the Uta just like Jerry Kruses earlier post. But I've tried for a while now using a Uta to scent the pinkie and it doesn't work at all. Such as steve's post about the anole and yours...it seems like a good idea to try out. I can't find a brown anole though but I can definately find a regular green anole!

~Tony

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You can never have only one snake!

normnun Sep 27, 2008 02:39 AM

Believe it or not we actually went to a bait shop and tried minnow scented pinks and it worked on a few animals(thinking a minnow is cold blooded like a lizard)But if it gets one problem animal to eat and there are no lizards available(also try frogs)then nothing lost.

mike17L Sep 29, 2008 09:45 AM

"I'm stuck now with no success finding baby utas but adults."

I have taken adult lizards and stuck them in the freezer. Them feed just the legs and portions of the tail of the frozen lizard. One adult lizard gives a good 5-6 meals for a neonate snake. Then feed the adult to an adult female alterna.
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South Texas Herps

normnun Sep 27, 2008 02:33 AM

One method that I have used successfully for quiet some time is to put the snake in a confined area eg. deli cup.I try to make it as confining as possible.If the snake can make only on loop of its body around the container bottom and just be able to lift its head I would say thats perfect.I know many people who say they have done the deli cup method but with little more success than other methods.The problem is that the deli cup is much much too big.You really have to confine them.Sometimes you might have to make a container to meet the snakes size.Hope this helps.Good luck.

Rust Sep 28, 2008 07:22 AM

I use a similar method to Mike R.'s. Freeze an adult feeder species. Then thaw and wash a pinky, peel a small patch of skin from the frozen lizard and place it on the pinky's forehead. This is readily taken. The next time do not wash the pinky to introduce it's scent and repeat. As a rule they will take the third pinky without scenting. I've used this method with a few other species of snakes with the same success. The best part of this method is the economy, a single adult lizard can last quite a while as a "scenter".

TonyT89 Sep 28, 2008 10:04 AM

I thought for sure this would work also...but no success. I tried that using a Uta and a House Gecko and they both did not do a single thing. I tried deli cupping both the snake and the Uta scented pink overnight. That was the closest I got and when I took off the deli cup the pinkie was full of blood and its body was severed in half. I believed that he might have tried to eat it but didn't. Is this a good sign?
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You can never have only one snake!

gmerker Sep 28, 2008 09:55 PM

I too have to feed lizards to get a lot of my baby alterna to feed...I would not recommend using thread to tie lizards and pink mice together.....it may cause problems in the intestine of the snake...the trick I used with a lot of success is using a piece of lizard skin (from a fresh road killed lizard) and sticking it directly on the pink mouse....it usually adheres and gives that irresistible odor baby snakes can't resist! Just my two cents....gmerker
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G. Merker

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