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Frequent urination-vet trip

laurarfl Sep 27, 2008 10:58 AM

I have to say that I just love my vet! He is very knowledge and never hesitates to spend talking to me about husbandry and even shows my kids neat stuff during the examination...a true teacher. I hope all herpers had access to such a qualified herp vet.

Anyway....I know the topic of frequent urination comes up, so I just thought I'd post what happened.

My albino Burm is an 11yo supposed male (I haven't had him probed) who passes a lot of water and some urates at least 2-3 times a week. He has done this for the year and a half or so that I've had him. For his adult life before I had him, he lived in a 75 gal tank, screen lid, no obvious precautions made for humidity adjustment. He had a tub of water in the tank, and he went swimming with his family in the pool. He eats a med rabbit every 3-4 weeks, but he sometimes goes 5-6 weeks without eating (refuses food).

He is now in a 6' x 3' AP cage with 70-90% humidity and temps that range from 80-88. He drinks a lot and we still let him soak, but he has his own kiddie pool.

Anyway, the vet thinks the frequent urination is mostly likely caused by renal disease, and that may be a consequence of his previous care. He listened to his heart (good rate, so no potassium concerns), and he didn't show any signs of septicemia which goes along with renal disease. Since the snake seemed to be in good health, we decided against bloodwork at this point.

So, what do we do? Keeping meals small helps, and soaking as much as possible. Since I feed freshly killed or F/T prey, he suggested loading the prey item with fluids as well. If the weather was warmer, he would soak the snake daily, but the weather is getting cooler and the risk of RI isn't worth it. It is also important to keep the cage VERY clean since snakes with renal disease are susceptible to infections. Septicemia is a concern, and when circulation is compromised by electrolyte imbalance, then the end of the tail can become necrotic. The vet seemed to think that the situation would get better in time now that the husbandry was corrected.

I thought the appt was very interesting and I hope the info helps someone else. I don't mean for it to replace a vet visit if your snake is suffering from the same symptoms, but, serves to go into the "good to know" file.

It was also pretty cool because the snake was prodded, poked with a large needle for microchipping, his tail was accidentally stepped on while weighing on the scale, the vet tried to open his mouth, etc. I saw the snake pushed to the limits of stress and he never lashed out, struck, or anything negative. He just hissed as always and really, just tried to escape. That's nice to know!!!

Replies (13)

rottenweiler9 Sep 28, 2008 07:28 PM

Thank you for posting this. As you know I am going through the same thing. My guy pees like 4-5 times a day. I think that is because I use to keep them very hot, and have corrected my temp issues. How big is your burm. I just throw them in a large rubbermaid and let them sit for ahwile. Funny thing, I just put my guy in the rubbermaid a couple days ago and he has not peed since, of course his eyes are cloudy now.

Thanks again for the update.
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laurarfl Sep 28, 2008 08:47 PM

My Burm is 12 ft and 50 pounds. Yeah, I could do the Rubbermaid thing...maybe in the bathtub where I wouldn't have to worry about wet carpet, etc. I do worry, though, because when the temps drop in my house, I'm not sure how my AP cage and RHP will keep up. It's on full blast with 78 room temp and high temps in the cage are 85-88.

Kelly_Haller Sep 29, 2008 05:44 PM

Laura,
If this snake is that large and with the age you stated, it should be possible to readily spur sex it. A male of that size would have an obvious external spur, with a female showing next to nothing externally.

Kelly

laurarfl Sep 30, 2008 12:45 PM

He has obvious spurs. I always thought they were manly spurs. Oh, and duh, he passes sperm plugs (that just occurred to me). You know, I really am a fairly intelligent person, but sometimes I post really stupid things. It probably doesn't help that I'm trying to write that post when my husband is calling from the kitchen, "Hey...did you balance the checkbook? What?! Are you on the computer AGAIN?"

Kelly_Haller Sep 30, 2008 10:57 PM

many times.

Kelly

HappyHillbilly Sep 30, 2008 08:56 AM

Laura,
Thank you for posting that good, valuable, information. Your first post should be bookmarked, copied/pasted, etc, by every keeper.

"I saw the snake pushed to the limits of stress and he never lashed out, struck, or anything negative. He just hissed as always and really, just tried to escape."

It's been my experience that biters bite & hissers hiss. Just keep your ear out for that unmistakable pissed hiss. You'll know it when you hear it. My large female has always been a bit of a hisser & never has struck/bitten. The more often I handle her the less she hisses.

A possible solution for your cage heating issue is to go to a hardware store or one of the big home improvement stores and get some "Reflectix." I've never used it personally but everyone that I've talked that has, swears by it.

Use it to cover the top, sides & back of the cage and monitor the temps closely to make sure it doesn't get too hot for your snake.

It comes in rolls and looks like bubbled aluminum foil. I think a 2ft wide roll with 25ft in length runs about $25 but well worth it from what I hear. I'll be using it soon. You can also get 4ft wide rolls, too. A roll of 4 x 25 will run about $45.

I'll try to get some photos of my adult male & female's spurs so you can see the difference between the two, like Kelly was saying. If you can post a few photos of the last 3ft or so of your Burmese Python, side shots, and maybe a top view, I might be able to tell you if it's a male or female.

Hang in there!
Mike
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rottenweiler9 Sep 30, 2008 12:36 PM

HH you got that right. I have wrapped all my cages in that stuff and even my AP. It helps a lot. Mine are in the basement so it gets to 60 degrees in the winter down there, so I had to do somthing. In my AP cage I also have heat on the bottom, and I put in a heat panel up top that I keep so the temps stay at 85 in the middle of the floor. My boa is actually in there now but it goes 95 85 80, I stopped using the light and turned the heat panel down from what I did have it at.
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1.0 Emerald Tree Boa

laurarfl Sep 30, 2008 12:48 PM

The sexing issue is solved...see above post .

I did have the vents sealed, but then it practically rained in the cage and I saw some mold in the cage, under the newspaper. Now, I clean this thing out constantly, so I was pretty irritated by that little bit of mold. Plus, I am an obsessive freak when it comes to mold. Maybe it's a FL thing, but I keep trying to balance the heat and humidity.

rottenweiler9 Oct 01, 2008 11:44 AM

You should not have to cover the vents. Just put that reflex on the top and the sides, and if you do not have heat on the bottom but it there to. You can put it on the back as well, just leave the vents open.
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1.0 Super Tiger
1.0 Amel Retic
0.1 Ball Python
0.1 Red Tail
0.1 Blood Python
1.0 Green Ananconda
1.0 Emerald Tree Boa

laurarfl Oct 01, 2008 04:05 PM

I see...I must not have made a very good visual picture in my head when I read HH's post. Well, I have to go to Home Depot tomorrow to pick up some more wood for a turtle box- I guess I'll check out reflectix while I'm there.

Thanks for the tip.

knottydread Oct 02, 2008 11:27 AM

Hi HH,

Can you post the pics you were referring to. I'm curious how you tell the difference?

I know my burm is a male because I saw the store owner probe it and I noticed he has external spurs as well. I can post a pic later..

I'm curious to learn how you can tell the difference.
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HappyHillbilly Oct 02, 2008 04:18 PM

Sure! I'd be glad to post a few photos to try to help out. It's pretty much like sexing any other animal; you have to see them side-by-side before you can get a good idea of the differences.

It may take me a day or two for me to get the pics & post 'em but I'll post 'em as another reply to your post so you'll be notified.

Catch ya later!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American


www.natures-signature.com

HappyHillbilly Oct 03, 2008 01:09 AM

Hey there!
I started a new thread with photos of the spurs and about sexing using the taper of the tail. It's the next thread up. Here's the direct link for ya: forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1605927,1605927

Catch ya later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American


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