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Looking to build a new cage looking to see what everyone has come up with, post some pictures of your best cage or favorite setup etc =)

A couple of oak units I built for my BRB's. Yes those are PVC pipes

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

A couple of oak units I built for my BRB's. Yes those are PVC pipes on the outside, they are closed off except duroing breeding season.

Have since upgraded them to RHP's with Herpstat Pro's.

Newer pics....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Those are very well crafted enclosures. How do you heat them and do you build them to sell to others.

Originally I used a simple light bulb (I know - wrong) I have switched them over to RHP's and they seem to work great!!!

I have in the past but find I'm just too darn good. All the materials and work that go into them are just not affordable by most. I figured out the cost of materials alone into one stack was around a grand. Not including many hours of labor making it.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Those are awesomw Dave.

What type joinery did you use on the doors and face frames?

Larry

Thank you, The doors are standard cope and stick construction. The same as used in raised panel kitchen cabinet doors. Slightly modified to accept the windows after the fact. Top rail slot cut 2x deep and Stiles had part cut away.

Frames have biscuit joints.

>>Those are awesomw Dave.
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>>What type joinery did you use on the doors and face frames?
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>>Larry
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I know Cope and Stick is the proper term for the joint but most people just stick to Rail and Stile.

Honestly other than very few old books Rail and Style while not the actual defined joint is the more used term.

In my experience that is, just an observation is all. This week has been filled with "what is the proper term" conversations.

Cheers
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

LOL, I learned cope and stick from an old school cabinet maker. Yeah, rail and stile is the current correct terminology.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>LOL, I learned cope and stick from an old school cabinet maker. Yeah, rail and stile is the current correct terminology.

I wouldn't say correct more of in higher use.

Similar to the 6 panel door, it is sometimes and originally was referred to as a Christian Door.

This being as the top portion resembles the cross in which the christian savor sacrificed his life for sins of humanity. Its base resembles the open Bible in which Christians documented the word of their God.

In loosely defined right and wrong neither are wrong, as they are both correct terms for the same asset.

Cheers
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

"Cope and stick " refers to the joint formed with the shaper/router by forming the edge of the rail to fit with a glue joint to the end of the stile.

Stile is the vertical member of the panel frame and rail is the horizontal member. I don't know if those same terms still apply in the case that the panel is rotated 90 degrees?????

Whatever it is, that is a great looking project.

>>"Cope and stick " refers to the joint formed with the shaper/router by forming the edge of the rail to fit with a glue joint to the end of the stile.
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>>Stile is the vertical member of the panel frame and rail is the horizontal member. I don't know if those same terms still apply in the case that the panel is rotated 90 degrees?????
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>>Whatever it is, that is a great looking project.

I didn't argue the term just presented the fact that the term cope and stick which is one of three joints used in frame making is an older yet correct term. Modern times seam to have presented rail and stile as the more common term. In fact searching for cope and stick router bits can be difficult as they are referred to as Rail and stile by many manufactures.

The Stile isn't always the vertical piece, the stile is made with one joint cut. IE only one edge receives the joint cut. The rail however receives two joint cuts along the pieces end grain on either end of the board. By using the original term the coped piece sticks into the stick. Cope = rail, Stick = stile. No matter the direction of the panels orientation the definition is the same.

Cheers
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

That's what I figured, thanks Jeremy.

Oddly all my ww catalouges list the router bits as cope and stick. The industry has probably "re-adopted" that term.

>>Oddly all my ww catalouges list the router bits as cope and stick. The industry has probably "re-adopted" that term.

Like I said its the manufacture as Freud, Grizzly, Craftsman, Woodcraft, Amana, and Bosch all list them as Rail and Stile Bits.
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile
Specializing in Boa Morph's

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
1.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 Possible Super Hypo
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Suriname/Columbian cross
0.1 Anerthrystic

Finally had the time to do a little digging on this.

Cope and stick is one type of joinery used in a rail and style system. It involves a shaped end and mirror image edge glued together for maximum gluing area plus adds a profile anf groove for a panel or glass.

A router/shaper bit set is predomidantly used nowadays for this joinery.
My early 1990's papar catalogs from Rockler and Tool CRib list them as cope ans stick, but all the tool supplier websites are simply listing them as rail and stile or frame and panel.

Given the definition, they would all (and both of us) would be correct.

I have never used the cope and stick technique, I use biscuits, dowels and mortise and tennon. One of these days I will invest in a good router lift and build a good router table and give it a go.