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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

I'd be interested in how to sex them also? If that is what he is asking. I know I have at least one male, but not sure about the other one.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

I wanted to see some pictures so I could sex them, mine have a little bit of difference in body shape but not much so I dont know if I have a pair. One that I suspect to be a female has that pear shape and the one I think is a male has straighter sides.But they are bothe almost the same length and I have heard that the females aree larger.
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

I'm not sure the shape can be a easy way to tell. My imitator that is calling is very fat.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

Mine suspected male hasn't started calling yet so I have been trying to use body shape to sex them but that hasnt been working, how old is your male that is calling, mine are about 5 months old maybe a little older.
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

I think mine are about the same age. They are both suspected to be males. I am getting 4 more later in the year or early next year. We will see... Mine are still getting used to their new home, so they are not out much. I'm hoping that changes.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

I hope mine are a pair because I trading some imitator tads for some yellow vent froglets. If there not a pair I don't think I will have trouble finding the opposite sex. What does the call soundlike I have heard a call like a cricket in the past few days but I just thought it was a cricket outside but It was during the day and I usually dont here them during the day. But I have only heard it a few times.Do you think you can maybe tell using the toepad trick?
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

That might be them.

Mine sound like a high short buzzing, with a almost chirp after sometimes. The one called for the first 2 day in it their new tank, but has not been doing it the last couple of days.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

If I were you I would search the tank for some eggs because when my frogs stop calling for a little while that usually means there are some eggs in the tank. Is the call loud? The call I have been hearing is about a fourth as loud as a Leuc call.
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

Its not as loud as my Leucs thats for sure. My male Leuc can make some noise. Too bad the females are not interested in him yet.

Would be very cool if my imitators were a pair. I've lucked out with all my frogs so far. I think my Azureus are a pair also.

I'm ready for some eggs.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

My female leuc is just starting to get ready to breed, she is getting spots on her front legs, she seemed mildly interested when my male called today. When they start getting spots on there front legs there ready to breed. My male has bunches of spots on his fornt legs and he has been ready to breed for about 3 months now.
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

If they are mature you can easily tell which one is a femaleThe call is short like about 3 seconds and it is pretty loud for such a small frog but nothing like my vittatus.Something cool happened with them today.I had been letting them raise a tad in a brom axil and had noticed an egg on the glass by a plant so was thinking that they had abandoned the tad because they had been feeding it infertile eggs for quite some time and I figured the tad had died or something. I went to get a flashlight to check the tad and noticed a tiny froglet in the brom axil.It had morphed out and is alot smaller then they are when I raise them myself.Anyway, I had to destroy the brom it was in to get it out but it was getting old and wasn't holding water like it had been.I am going to have to feed it springtails until it get big enough for fruit flies,yeah that small!!! I will try and get a pic of the pair if I can.My camera isn't the best but I will see what I can do for you.They are great frogs and my wife named the new froglet "Tiny".It can easily sit on a dime and you could still see the sides of the dime.
Take care,
Mark W.

How are you saying to tell them apart?
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

The best way for me to describe it would be that the male has never been "fat' so to speak.I feed them very well and he still hasn't even been round in the middle.She is about 23mm and he is close to 20mm.When I recieved mine from Patrick back in October of '02 they were about 2-3 months old and within 2 weeks heard the male calling and had my first clutch of eggs in November.The lights in their tank will be on soon so I will see about the pic
this morning......................Mark W.

Very cool, i'm on patricks list for 4 of them myself. In addition to the 2 I have already. From what I can tell, the one of mine that is calling is VERY fat, I mean HUGE. I am not 100% because I have to be a good distance away from the tank when he is calling, but it does only sound like one is calling.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

I have not heard that one before, but more that they have to be at least a year old. I would guess mine should be a year old about x-mas time, or so.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

Mine are about a year old and the one with spots on her front legs is the only one interested, the other one with no spots is not interested at all. I learned this trick from one of my friends who breeds leucs.
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

Here is a picture on one of my females:

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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

It looks like shes ready to breed, it looks like her stomach is already filled with eggs
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1.2 Leucomelas
1.1 Green and Bronze Auratus
1.1 Imitators
0.0.1 Vents (more soon)

Would be cool, but i bet those are just the ton of FF's she eats. She eats as much as my Azureus.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

The difference between my males and females is very subtle when they aren't breeding. Then the females get much rounder bellies. If you are unable to observe the male calling, the other way of sexing is female behavior. My females fight, chase each other around and wrestle. The males stay out of it like any wise man would do. It turned out that I had two males and two females.

They began calling and breeding at five months-- I got them about the same time as mentioned by someone else, in September 02 and found the first eggs at Thanksgiving. Both females bred with the same male. The "lesser" male stayed completely out of the way in a different area of the vivarium. He called, but the gals ignored him. The unusual thing is that when I allowed them to raise the first tad in a bromeliad leaf, both females responded to feed him when Dad called. He morphed out just fine, and was big enough to name Baby Huey. He no doubt got plenty to eat.

I've noticed two distinct calls. One seems to be the breeding call and is similar to the call to feed a tad. It's a short buzz-chirrup, rather bird like. To my ears, it is very soft, but my hearing isn't acute. A second sound is emitted by the male when the dominant female is chasing the other away from either eggs or the tads they are guarding. This is several short bursts of buzzing. His participation in the guarding seems to be limited to cheerleading.

These are just my observations and are probably not much help. The photo just shows a female standing on the male that called her over to lay eggs. He is just peeking out from under her.
She has her arms around the egg mass as if she is arranging them around.

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Thanks for the info, from what everyone is saying I might luck out and have a pair. One is much fatter than the other, but I can not tell which one is calling yet.

Also on a side note Patty, was it you that talked before about using Winterstone to build waterfalls and streams in tanks? If so could you e-mail me any info you can.
Thanks,
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

Yes, I have used Winterstone for building waterways. It's great. Patrick Nabors is in the process of using it now to build some customer tanks. I'll get the information together and send it to you. There are a few photos of one of my waterways in the process of building in the picture gallery (slaytonp)under cages and terrariums.
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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Ok then I have a few questions...

1. Where do is the best place to get it?
2. How/what would you use to build a wall up under it?
3. What type of mesh, is ok to use that will not cause problems in such a humid environment.

Thanks, I'm about to buy a 20gal high to redo my Leuc tank.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators

Here's the Winterstone link with all of the information you need. I would add that it does need sealing. The best non-toxic sealer I've found is Jasco Cure-Seal that you can get at Home Depot. The Compleat Sculptor (one of the suppliers listed in the link) also offers the sculpting mesh in several grades. It is flexible metal mesh. I used the fine copper mesh with burlap over it. On my first project, I used fine damp sand, scooped out the features, and built the waterway over this right in the tank, rather like building a sand castle. However, this isn't necessary. You can form it over any substrate, or form it outside the tank, depending upon the size you want. If you have ever done papier mache' that's about what it's like to do. Dick Blick (dickblick.com) has other art supplies such as the powdered color if you want to color the Winterstone rather than paint it later. I recommend this.

I hope this helps. If you have any further questions, please feel free to e-mail me.
Winterstone

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Patty
Lost River, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
3 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
5 D. imitator
4 D. leukomelas
4 D. pumilio Bastimentos

Thanks a bunch, I am trying to figure out how I want to use this. I do want to try it on a replacement Leuc tank.
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Kyle
www.kylesphotos.com
1.2.0 D. leucomelas
0.0.2 D. azureus
1.0.1 D. imitators