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Ive searched and searched for this and posted a message down under Ben Siegels super stripe post but no one seems to want to answer. What exactly are the genetics behind the super stripe. Is this some sort of secret still? Thanks in advance, Sean.

Whirlwind x yellowbelly
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Whirlwind/Specter/het superstripe x Yellowbelly
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Tosha
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The superstripes are the product of a breeding between a Yellowbelly & Specter ball python. I first produced the SSYB accidentially in 2004 when I was trying to make a clutch of yb's.

There should be NO secrets as to what makes the combo as I have showed what produced it since 2006.

I will put up a detailed post this afternoon with pic's of all the required ingredients......i.e. Specters.

Jared Horenstein
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if you can, belly pictures would be nice too Jared

Regards,
Bristen.

>>The superstripes are the product of a breeding between a Yellowbelly & Specter ball python. I first produced the SSYB accidentially in 2004 when I was trying to make a clutch of yb's.
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>>There should be NO secrets as to what makes the combo as I have showed what produced it since 2006.
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>>I will put up a detailed post this afternoon with pic's of all the required ingredients......i.e. Specters.
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>>Jared Horenstein
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You need a Het for Super Stripe and a Yellow belly to produce Super Stripes. There are presently two names used for the Het For Super Stripe, Specters and Whirlwinds. The originator of the Super Stripe Jared Horenstein calls his Het for Super Stripes - Specters and Anthony McCain calls his Het for Super Stripes - Whirlwinds. I refer to mine as Specters out of honor to the originator of the original Super Stripe. I hope this helps.
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Albey Scholl
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they are specters

Albey, Make that 3 names!!
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no secret--it is a double codom from breeding a yellowbelly to a het superstripe aka spectre ball.

what is the the outcome of an ivory x het super stripe breeding??

n/p

50% Super Stripes and 50% regular Yb's... Did that cross last year and produced these out of 6 eggs from my original female that obviously has "the gene" with a couple different names, lol! Two hatchlings were just Yb's so they aren't shown (the one baby is just a wierd Mojave to spice up the pic a little).. Anthony McCain..

Wow Anthony, what an incredible clutch! I can’t wait to see something like that hatch out here, hopefully later on this year. That Mojave is very cool also. Anything special about that one?
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Albey Scholl
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Thanks, the SS's are really fun to work with as you'll find out!

As for the odd Mojave she Possibly could be carrying something she is from a very odd female that I still don't know what she is , I bred her to a reg Mojave and just got that one Mojave out of 4 or 5 eggs.. It's a full striped Mojave with really odd/reduced side patterns, she was a little small , like a 45-50 grm baby so she is coming up a little slower than I like to see, she eats well just likes the small stuff.. Thinking of putting a Mystic on that weird female adult to see if I can make an odd Mystic with a weird look to it too?? Later , Anthony McCain..

Super Stripes are so ricidulously different than everything else. BEST Ball morph. Hands down.

Have you been able to breed a SS to a normal and if so has that only produced a mixture of ybs and whirlwinds or did it produce a SS, ybs, wnd whirlwinds?

Didn't have alot of babies from the 06 male Super Stripe as he was young when he bred last year but from what I did see I had the 2 ingredient genes and no Super Stripes.. BHB would be a better guy to ask this question as Brian has babies coming from that project soon.. AS far as I know , so far nobody out there has made a Super Stripe with a Super Stripe by breeding it to normals! Actually good news I think as that means they are harder to make and will hold value better, making it a better long term investment.. Anthony McCain..

Breeding a Super Stripe to a Normal can produce Super Stripes just like a Pewter, Bumble Bee, Pastel Mojave, or any other Co-Dom or Co-Dom Dom combo can reproduce it self. It is just a matter of hitting the odds. If you are Ralph Davis and you breed a Super Stripe to a Normal and you produce a six-egg clutch you get four Super Stripes, a Het Super Stripe and a Yellow Belly. Any one else gets a Het Super Stripe, a Yellow Belly and then four Normal Males. LOL
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Could be and maybe even likely, but not necessarily. All genetics is not simple Mendellian and until one is produced from a SS to normal, nothing is certain.
Grant

If the two (het SS and YB) are on the same allel then it is possible that SS to normal doesn't make SS but instead makes all het SS and YB (50/50).

Similar to the Crystal IMO. Bruce Delles had several pairings of Crystal to morphs and got NO Crystals.

I'm with Anthony. They hold their value more if they aren't seperate allels.

Awesome animals regardless!

>>Could be and maybe even likely, but not necessarily. All genetics is not simple Mendellian and until one is produced from a SS to normal, nothing is certain.
>>Grant
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John Dague
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Exactly. The ball python community is starting to get up to speed on the concept of different mutations of the same gene (a multiple mutant allele complex). I think we have found two different allele complexes so far:

1. lesser/butter/mojave/phantom/Vin Russo/special (the “special” from crystal)

2. yellow belly/specter/orange belly

Within each of these two groups the breeding results of a combo to a normal is different than combos of completely separate genes like say a bumblebee or a pewter. Because the two different mutations in the allele group combo (like a crystal or an ultra ivory) are mutations of the same gene the combo parent can only pass on one or the other mutation but not both (and not neither). The reason the bumblebee or pewter can reproduce it’s self with normal is because they are mutations of two different genes so are inherited separately.

Also, maybe we shouldn’t call animals “het superstripe” or “het crystal” or “het ultra ivory” because superstripe and crystal and apparently ultra ivory are each combos. Why is specter any more a “het superstripe” than a yellow belly?

I wondered that same thing....the crystal is really a combo (mojave x special) and the super crystal is really a super special (special x special)...with our current rationale for heterozygous and homozygous naming conventions this and the "het superstripe" don't conform.

But at this point it might be hard to go back to the drawing board for new names? IMO it's really up to the creator and the community. I'd love to call a special something besides a special.....after all aren't all our animals special?

What's a super spector look like?...that's something I'd love to see.

BTW.....special spiders....look awesome IMO....kinda like a stinger bee only not as reduced pattern.

Thanks Randy!

>>Exactly. The ball python community is starting to get up to speed on the concept of different mutations of the same gene (a multiple mutant allele complex). I think we have found two different allele complexes so far:
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>>1. lesser/butter/mojave/phantom/Vin Russo/special (the “special” from crystal)
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>>2. yellow belly/specter/orange belly
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>>Within each of these two groups the breeding results of a combo to a normal is different than combos of completely separate genes like say a bumblebee or a pewter. Because the two different mutations in the allele group combo (like a crystal or an ultra ivory) are mutations of the same gene the combo parent can only pass on one or the other mutation but not both (and not neither). The reason the bumblebee or pewter can reproduce it’s self with normal is because they are mutations of two different genes so are inherited separately.
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>>Also, maybe we shouldn’t call animals “het superstripe” or “het crystal” or “het ultra ivory” because superstripe and crystal and apparently ultra ivory are each combos. Why is specter any more a “het superstripe” than a yellow belly?
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Hey John
The special spiders are "testy" little guy's aren't they. LOL
See ya next weekend at Tinley Park.
Bruce Delles c/o Twin Cities Reptiles

They certainly are.....I think I'm still emotionally scared from getting bitten more times in 2 minutes than in the past year by those guys

>>Hey John
>> The special spiders are "testy" little guy's aren't they. LOL
>>See ya next weekend at Tinley Park.
>>Bruce Delles c/o Twin Cities Reptiles
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John Dague
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I agree with the Crystal being part of the Lesser complex snakes. The “Special” should be named the Crystal, the “Special” to Mojave should be named a Crystal Mojave and a “Special” to “Special” should be named a Super Crystal. I don’t understand why the Yellowbelly and Specter are being included in the group though. When I started calling around trying to find a Specter about two months ago Jared told me that the rumor was out that the Super Specter had been produced and it wasn’t a white snake. Has this been proven to be false?
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But "crystal" was already used for the mojave plus special combo. If Tom wants to rename the ingredient (special) to crystal it might help in the long run but confusing for now. Often times names start out longer like cinnamon pastel and get shortened (just cinnamon) but this would be a case where the name for the combo would go from just crystal to crystal mojave. If Tom has already made that change then it would be official I’m just not up to speed if he did that.

I meant to indicate yellow belly/specter/orange belly as a 2nd unrelated complex of mutant alleles of a different gene. Just listed both complexes as both seem to be in the same boat of more than one mutations of a gene so the combos breed the same (like super stripe X normal producing 50/50 yellow belly and specter but no superstripe or normal). The post below about the sulfur is hinting at a third complex with yet another group of mutations at another gene location for black eye leucistic but it sounds like sulfur and fire still need to be crossed to confirm if they are even compatible. But I think we can safely say that multiple mutant allele groups exist so we need to understand them.

I like the ideas for names

Crystal
Crystal Mojave
Super Crystal
Crystal Pastave

Sounds cool to me just need Tom to sign off

Now we just need to throw a mystic at a special and see what that makes

>>I agree with the Crystal being part of the Lesser complex snakes. The “Special” should be named the Crystal, the “Special” to Mojave should be named a Crystal Mojave and a “Special” to “Special” should be named a Super Crystal. I don’t understand why the Yellowbelly and Specter are being included in the group though. When I started calling around trying to find a Specter about two months ago Jared told me that the rumor was out that the Super Specter had been produced and it wasn’t a white snake. Has this been proven to be false?
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John Dague
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I just learned about the Crystal in the last two weeks. I had no idea before that. I am not saying that Tom needs to rename his animals but was using those names as an example. Of course those really are what they should be called if you think about it but that would be Tom’s call. Like Randy said above no one refers to Cinnamons as Cinnamon Pastels or Enchi’s as Enchi Pastel any more.
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jc

That is true IF the 2 genes are NOT alleles of each other.. Does a Blue Eyed Leucistic (lesser x mojave or say lesser x phantom)reproduce more Blue Eyed Leucistics when it's bred to a normal? Answer is NO you get nothing but Lessers and either Mojaves or Phantoms (depending on which ingredients the white snake parent had in it).. That being said if the other gene that makes it into a Super Stripe is an Allele to a Yb then you won't make Super Stripes bred to normal.. Simple genetics my friend, Anthony McCain...

You will have to breed Super Stripes back to YB's, Whirlwinds or another Super Stripe to get you more Super Stripes...

I will be shooting for some as nice as yours in 2009!!!!
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Bill Buchman

Hey Bill, thanks man, I appreciate that!! If you like dark morphs check out this quick pic of the 3 Pastel Mystics I just hatched out!! Dan Wolfe and I have a combined total of 4 Pastel Mystics so I guess this is what they really are supposed to look like!! Pretty much what I was expecting or should I say hoping for!!! Hope you like what you see, I'll get better ones once they get some size on them... Anthony McCain..

Hi
Could someone post pictures of juvenile and adult spector.

Thanks

Henke

can someone post a pic of a hatchling Het SS and an adult for comparison. maybe along side with a normal?

if possible also belly pics

thanks!

Pitoon

Has anyone produced a cross with Specters? (ex: specter mojave, specter pastels)
Thanks
Trey

>>Has anyone produced a cross with Specters? (ex: specter mojave, specter pastels)
>>Thanks
>>Trey

I'm curious as to what would happen when crossed with a fire...or any other sort of lucy cross for that matter.
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Charles Glaspie
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The specter/fire has been done.

Extra bright... not a lucy.

Justin
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Warning: Snakes have been shown to cause death in laboratory rats.

>>Has anyone produced a cross with Specters? (ex: specter mojave, specter pastels)
>>Thanks
>>Trey

This COULD be a Spector x Spider cross... I produced this animal late in 2007... I have actually two of these, but this one being the nicer one of the two... I have to prove it out though... The female that produced these certainly looks like a Spector to me (and also to someone else that actually has produced SuperStripes)... Hopefully we'll see some SuperStripes here soon

Regards,
Bristen.

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Could you post pics of the mom?

>>Could you post pics of the mom?

sure, here you go.. (ovulating for clutch that produced the Spider crosses)...

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