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Have any of you ever come across emoryi on River Road (FM170)? I don't recall ever finding one there, and come to think of it never heard of anyone else doing so either....
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Brad Chambers
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We have never seen any or heard of any while we've been there.

Hey Brad,
Used to hunt river road quite a bit. Only once did I find an emoryi and it was on a bridge just south of Presidio. Never found any in the good alterna part of river road. Check with Norm Nunley or Ric Green or Bob Mackin. Those 3 guys probably have 2000 nights in between them on RR. Later, Brad A.

I have never seen an emoryi south of 02 flats or east of Presidio. I never saw a splendida in south Brewster or Presidio Co. in the 80's, but I think they have turned up since.
Later
Rick

rick, found a nice splendida near la kiva in '92 (i think brad got it from me), and a couple just north of stillwells store.

I have found a few splendida.They have all come from La Kiva.I know a guy who found what he thought was going to be his first x-mas alterna but turned out to be a splendida on north hill.

I found a relatively small adult not far north of the northwesternmost good alterna habitat back in the early 80s. --HW

>>Have any of you ever come across emoryi on River Road (FM170)? I don't recall ever finding one there, and come to think of it never heard of anyone else doing so either....
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>>Brad Chambers
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>>The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....
Found this one on the RR way back when. Found on the East side of the big hill.

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With those blotches it looks like it's trying to be a little suboc.

is that a few of us were down there last weekend, and Ron Tremper and his son found a juvenile right next to the "road closed" barrier on the west side of Lajitas. Pretty neat animal-very green blotches.
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Brad Chambers
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Emoryi are found between Lajitas and Teepees and then again between windmill and Redford.Uncommon but I did find a gravid female once in 92 and they are kind of greenish.

I have found three emoryi on the river road, two in eighties and one in the seventies. One was in the dips just east of Redford, another just east of the old windmill, and the third says 23.7 miles west of Lajitas. I preserved one fresh D.O.R. and it is at A&M or UTEP (too lazy to go look).

Ricky, you should remember the night we had dinner at your house up on the hill and an old friend bragged about how he NEVER ran over a snake - we laughed and said he was full of you know what. So I followed him down the river that night and he pegged a baby emoryi right in front of me!! That was the one by the windmill.

Anyway, those are my river road emoryi's. cheers, hugh

How many bairdi have been found on the River? Lots of emoryi have been found down there.
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I thought the only bairdi in the neighborhood were up in the Chisos?

Lance
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Trees. You can find them in heavily wooded Canyons at lower elevations out west, otherwise restricted to higher elevations.
That is why they "appear" to be restricted to the mountain ranges in the west but have continuous range from NW Bexar county to somewhere in Terrell county. It's a far better find on the river than an emoryi as far as rarity in a locality.
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I can say that if I ever saw out that way I would make a note and at least get a photo... But my expectations on the RR were like 0% when I did my effort out there.

But that is kewl little knowledge nugget about their range and habitat needs.

Lance
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Never knew of a bairdi outside of the chisos.The next area were I have found them is between the picnic tables s.of Alpine and all the way into the davis mtn.

I know of a number of bairdi -- in the Bend region -- all of which were in mid to upper elevation zones of the Chisos and Sierra del Carmen. I'd be really surprised to hear of one on the River Road. They really do seem to require the vegetation. I wonder if there are any relic populations at major springs? --HW

Same for me Joe. I am unaware of any taken down on the RR. Have you?

I am not surprised because of the habitat. They are not really cane / Tamarisk critters, and that's what is available for the most part immediately along the river west of Castalon. Along the roadway in Presidio county ditto. In the BB lowlands up the washes, and even places Terlingua Creek, I think the riparian areas that have expanses of more typical bairdi vegetation are too small and or isolated - but there are probably a gazillion areas that have not been checked?

Is it the vegetation that restricts them to higher elevation in these locals, or are the higher temps and lower humidity restricting that habitat? Then the question is, were the snakes forced up there with the habitat or are they doing something very different down low, and we just haven't seen them because we haven't looked?

If you have a locality in Bexar county, or even better, a specimen maybe send it to Jim Dixon? I don't think it's in the book. Hope you are well Joe. H

Brad,

I actually found a very large, gravid female emoryi on River Road back in 1988 or 1989. It was found between Redford and Presidio right alongside the river.

I have never seen an emoryi on any other part of River Road.

Marlon Smith