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Hi guys. I got a juvenile pair of mex-mex at a show here recently, but I'm a bit doubtful about them really being mex-mex. What do you think? Here's the male:

...and here's the female. I figure the pattern on these snakes head seem to be right for mex-mex, but otherwise, I don't know just what to believe.

Now for the guesswork....

Could not say they are 100% anything for sure, but I would guess that they are thayeri or at least a thayeri hybrid. Could have Mex-Mex in them, but more than likely if they are a hybrid they are a thayeri x alterna = mixicana.

Unfortunately with a background that was not represented or not understood properly I would not call them pure anything myself. I would advise that you try to find the breeder and make sure they did not say L. mexicana thayeri or something and you only caught half of it in the distraction of the show.

I am sure I am not making sense to anybody else right now, but it is clear as a smell to me

Lance

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I would guess the same as the previous post. Thayeri x Alterna
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Vichris
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Vichris Variables

Lance,

Agreed they are definitely not mexi's but thayeri appears to be in the mix-mex...Very unfortunate to see...

Where did you pick up that very nice specimen? That's a real beauty at the bottom of your post...

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

Great looking 'granite' Lance.....
Are you breeding those?
German stock?
Cool snake.....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I plan to have them bred, I will not personally service them

But as we are expecting a single female from the group to be ready next year we may hook her up on a loan somewhere, but will not be likely to part with any offspring from that pairing if it happens at all.

BTW, our only male is the farthest back as a yearling, but he is pounding food, even while in blue.... so he will be ready for some older females real soon if all goes well.

And if luck smiles on me next year I hope to pick a pair of black phase Mex-mex. Those things are sure in short supply this season.

Later

Lance

This is the other female we have, the bigger one now that will likely be ready and they are both German line with Granite lineage:

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Great Mexicana Lance...Thanks for sharing the photos...
They have got to be my second favorite snake in the world......
And yep...a black phase granite or splitbanded mex mex would be awesome......
And through in some hypoerytherism and you will have a pink (salmon) and black snake......

Thanks...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Just a quicky I shot of some the kids...

Lance

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>>Just a quicky I shot of some the kids...

Lance,
What is the DARK snake in the picture?
Thanks for sharing....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

That would be the yearling black thayeri, and if you also look close at the orange thayeri you can see where he tried to paint himself. I picked up some fresh baby food jars and soaked the label off, but did not work hard enough to get all the old glue off, well he got in the glue, turned the water over and then the glue wet newspaper ink left a stain. I expect that to come off in the next shed cycle though...
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Thanks for all your ideas about what my mexicanas might be. I too have had thoughts cirkling around the combinations you present. This was a trade made in haste when the show was closing down. I traded them for two of my california king "reverse spotted" juveniles.

The guy who had them was not the breeder and the boxes where marked "L. mex mex". Unfortunately I failed to get the needed information due to the stressful situation when everybody where packing down their stuff.

I'm not very fond of hybrids, but still I think these are nice animals and I'm gonna keep them but definitely not breed on them until I'm positive that they are not hybrids. I'm putting in my best efforts to track down the breeder.

I did get this little purebred mex-mex too at that show, so I'm familiar to what they usually look like.

If I should say something about the snakes shown in that link presented in this thread, I would choose #2. I prefere light but strong colored specimen with high contrast rather than falling for the more unusual patterns.

Peter,

If that pair was represented to you as mex-mex then I'd say someone could have taken advantage of you if they knew the origins of their genetic origins (perhaps the person that sold them to you didn't actually know-giving them the benefit of the doubt)...

IMO thayeri can be found in the lineage of your progeny because there are just too many "thayeri" characters in your progeny. Just my opinion for its worth.

This very unfortunate to see indeed.

Later,
Jim.

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CSRAJim

>>Hi guys. I got a juvenile pair of mex-mex at a show here recently, but I'm a bit doubtful about them really being mex-mex. What do you think? Here's the male:

Definitely not Mex-Mex but could be one of two things:
Pure thayeri
or
Thayeri X Alterna.

Here's a pretty good representation of a hybrid Mex-Mex X Thayeri.

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I wish we had the northern variety of Mex-mex...

Check out the link to that flavor.

It would seem that the northern flavor has a msp
In - http://www.sierraherps.com/gallery

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>>I wish we had the northern variety of Mex-mex...
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>>Check out the link to that flavor.
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Why....We already have Milksnakes, Milksnake phase thayeri and Ruthveni......LOL

I know what you mean though.....

I always thought the northern variety of Mexicana Mexicana had some Thayeri influence....But I'm no Bob Hansen.....Ha
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

>>I wish we had the northern variety of Mex-mex...
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>>Check out the link to that flavor.

Picture Number 5 on that link is my favorite all time Mexmex....And Bob knows that I want it.....LOL
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Ah yes #5... the ultimate black phase mex-mex...

I think we would all be willing to take that off his hands, it is a stunning animal.

Lance

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>>Ah yes #5... the ultimate black phase mex-mex...
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>>I think we would all be willing to take that off his hands, it is a stunning animal.

The ULTIMATE SPLIT BANDED BLACK PHASE MEX-MEX.....My favorite......
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Don't you just love the variability of mexicana?......

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Yes I do.

:Mark
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