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I just got a baby garter

little_trouble Oct 04, 2008 02:43 AM

I've always wanted a snake, and I had the chance to get one from my friend, so I took it.

It's fairly small, and the past day it has been in a small plastic aquarium. I have twigs and an artificial plant in there, a large water bowl and currently some shredded paper towel as flooring. Best I can do. I am getting a huge aquarium in a couple days for it. And I just had a few questions.

Lighting. What kind of lighting does the snake need? I saw some reptile lights at the pet store yesterday. Does the light source have to be one of those specific reptile lights? Can I just use a regular lamp over the aquarium? And this aquarium was formerly occupied by fish, and it comes with a light. Intended for fish I'm assuming. Can I just use that canopy light? Keep in my this snake is being kept in my kitchen, away from my windows, on the highest shelf possible away from my cat ( we had a little incident a couple days ago, I don't trust the cat now). It will be up there until I get a tall book case or something, but that won't be for a while.

Does a snake get it's heat source from the light above, or in addition do I have to get a heating rock? Can I have both, or do I just need one of those?

And will my little guy (or girl?) be ok for almost a week without a heat/light source?? I only have the time and money in about a week to get it exactly what it needs! I know, I feel bad for the snake. I know nothing and am not properly equipped at the moment, but I will be soon.

Thanks for any advice!! Muchly appreciated!

Replies (6)

little_trouble Oct 04, 2008 02:57 AM

My new little beastie. You can see a fish fin sticking out of it's mouth.
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mmfh Oct 04, 2008 11:23 AM

Heat rocks are not the best thing to use for any snake because they can end up burning themselves. I'm not sure if garter snakes actually need any heat. I myself just recently bought a baby garter and since i'm cooling my snake room down for the winter i'm not using any heat right now. Keep in mind snakes will eat very little if anything while kept in cooler temps. I'd say a ten gallon aquarium with a screen lid would be adequate for ur snake even when it's an adult. As a substrate i use Aspen but i know a lot of snake ppl do not like to use this for fear of impaction. good luck with ur new friend.

rakenjevnk Oct 04, 2008 05:38 PM

Heat rocks aren't very good to use, that's correct.

This'll be kind of long, but hopefully will answer any questions for your garter snake.

However, a ten gallon tank is not adequate for a garter or ribbon snake when it's fully grown. These are very active snakes with a usual length of 2.5-3ft. A 20 gallon long (30 in. long) is suitable, but bigger is always better for any snake.

For heating (and yes, it's very beneficial to ANY snake for heat- to digest food) a heat pad that you can buy at any pet store in the reptile section works very well, though it's recommended to use a thermostat to prevent it from being too hot. Just make sure you place it on one side, never the middle, to provide a thermal gradient. Place this under the tank on the outside, not on the inside.

For lighting, no snakes do not require any type of UV lighting, and if you want to light the cage, any old lightbulb will do the trick. So yes, you can use the canopy, just please make sure you have your mesh top under the light so that the bulbs are out of reach of the snake- they will wrap up around or next to them and can cause severe burns, so just make sure the snake can't get to the actual lighting.

Make sure that no matter what you keep your snake in, make sure there is ventilation (a glass aquarium top is NOT adequate, commercial or home made mesh tops work very well), and make sure it can not come off unless YOU take it off. Snakes are escape artists, and will find any way to get out, so make sure it is locked down (even placing something like a large book or brick on top will work) and that the mesh is not big enough for them to fit through, or that here are no holes for them to go through.

As far as substrate goes (the stuff on the bottom for them to crawl around on and burrow in) you can use anything. I use fine coconut fiber because I like the way it looks. (Bed-A-Beast, Eco Earth, etc). You can use sterile (make sure NOTHING is added- just plain, clean dirt) potting soil or peat moss, bark, shavings, newspaper, papertowels, pretty much anything. Just don't use cedar or pine shavings (or anything with an real odor to it for that matter) it can hurt the animal. If you are scared of impaction that's easily remedied by feeding the snake out of its cage or on a paper towel, plastic lid, etc. Though I've found snakes are generally pretty good at removing stuff from what they eat.

For food- do not feed goldfish, rosy red (fathead) minnows, and the like. These have thiaminase which prevents vitamin B-1 from being absorbed and will lead to death for your snake due to neurological reasons over time. Your best bet is a mix of (frozen and thawed) pinkie mice(chopped up for a baby) or fuzzy mice for an adult, mixed with worms, and pieces of frozen/thawed fish fillet pieces (best option if you stick with fish only- but you need to use calcium and vitamin supplements once a month if only on fillet). Good fillet choices are tilapia, salmon, and trout, and is pretty cheap to boot.

For a baby, about 3 times a week feeding is good, but you can feed him as soon as he doesn't look like he has a bulge anymore, until he's older. For older snakes slowly reduce how much you feed. Do not wait more then a week to feed your snake if you can help it (unless they don't feel like eating), that is a practice you should not force upon an snake- always offer food unless they don't want it at their designated feeding time. You can either give them a lot once a week, or give them a moderate amount multiple times in a week. Personally, I like multiple times- just feels better to me.

Other than that, provide plenty of hiding spaces(I don't recommend the half-logs you see at pet stores, they don't give really enough feeling of security. Anything they can smoosh themselves under and surrounds them works well, flower pot sauces do wonders), a water bowl big enough for him to put his whole body in, and some things to climb on and you'll have a very happy snake!
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boxienuts Oct 05, 2008 09:13 PM

I would say that is all very excellent advice from the above post, I would just like to add that the product; Carefresh, also makes a great substrate for garters as well, and also personally I prefer to get a small garters eating pinkie parts ASAP and then whole day old pinkies ASAP after, just my oppinion, it's just easier to feed mice and then you don't have to worry about nutritional deficiency.
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

boxienuts Oct 05, 2008 09:20 PM

congrats on your new pet, an excellent choice, looks like from the photo that it is a red-sided garter ( Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis ) just in case you hadn't already identified that and keep us posted with your new set-up and pictures as it grows, enjoy!!!
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

little_trouble Oct 08, 2008 10:05 AM

Thanks for the info, very helpful

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