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Well how do I know?

All caught and actually photographed " In Pucallpa. "

These are just perfect patterned and perfect tailed Pucallpas.

However, " they are so variable and some look more like Iquitos, JJ ?? "

EXACTLY!

Just love natures variances, despite the lables we try to put on them for Marketing Purposes.

In the end, there is " Under No Circumstance, " the perfect look for an Iquitos or Pucallpa Peruvian or Suriname or Guyana, EXCEPT the lables and looks that a particular breeder Breeds For!

To tell someone that; " there Pucallpas are not and could not be REAL, because they do not look like the next guys, is purely rediculous to the core. "

UNLESS, one guy has documents and the other guy does not have anything but a Story To Tell.

Even then, it is rediculous to point fingers, because as Joel Thomas said last week; " Nobody has ever offered him any paperwork and that is pretty much more common than not. "

Well, these animals pictured are as real Pucallpa Peruvians as it gets and I have dozens more pictures of these Real Pucallpas and it does not take the best vision in the world to see that they are EXTREMELY variable as are all B.C.C. within their ranges.

Now, " I have been a good feller here lately and have not come on here trying to ruffle nobody's feathers, " however, I feel that some of us really need to look at this objectively, instead of relying on getting our answers from some breeders that are so looked up to and hardly ever questioned, when it comes to this particular understanding.

Breed you Boas for the qualities that you like and if you know in your heart that they are from a particular Locality, than maybe you should try to keep them pure?

However, do not criticise the next guy and tell him his locality is questionable, because it does not look like yours that is " supposedly " from the same area.

Common Sense.

Have a Good One!........JJ

i agree john nice post, i just can't believe that all pucallpa's are going to look very much the same way.
greg c

JJ
you have a great point but personally if im going to purchase a "pucallpa" or "iquitos" i want it to look like the typical "pucallpa" or "iquitos" just my preference.
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Richard Ceniceros
Tap or take a nap

But what defines "Pulcallpas" and "Iquitos" animals? I'm all about differences, but have yet to find any between the two ( other than normal variation )?
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South Central Herpetological

Exactly Eric and has always been my point.......JJ

i agree, it's not like with pure bred dogs where the american kennel club has a standard for every breed that will give an idea of the perfect animal in wich breeders will have a blueprint to go by and try to produce as close as possible to that standard of what the perfect dog should look like.
greg c

i have bred and shown boxers for over 20 years and i can tell you that they all don't look exactly the same, every kennel that breeds them to the akc standard looks different, so much so that you can tell what bloodlines and what kennel they were from just by their looks.
greg c

my thoughts are even if there was a standard for what a perfect pucallpa should look like, agreed by all breeders in the usa, it would take many years of breeding to that standard before you would get animals to be consistent in type, maybe the top breeders of these animals should make up a standard that most of them agree upon what the perfect animal should look like and go from there. just a thought.
greg c

That's nice..

I agree John, all my two cents were put in last week on my post and it got very little attention. Maybe not many people read it, maybe not many had anything they wanted to contribute??

I am with you on this one for sure... at the end of the day we very rarely see people posting specific locale of Suriname or Guyana B.c.c. I only know of a couple of people who have Locale animals.

What is wrong with having pretty Peruvians?

Later John
Joel

Gotta agree with that 3rd paragraph from the end. Thanks for the reality check.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

That goes back to my point of calling them "Iquitos Type" or "Pucallpa Type" animals. Agreed they vary. But there are characteristics for the Trade Locality Types. An Iquitos Type animal might not have anything to do with Iquitos, but is in fact line bred to accent that particular locality's accepted/adopted characteristics by the boa trade. Does anyone remember when all the Peruvians were called "Ortoni" in the trade, which in fact they were not? Nothing is truly locality without documentation. That's the way the Chondro people do it, by such-and-such locality "Type". Such artificial definitions work quite well for them.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

I've had this arguement many times with reguards to B.c.i.

Amie