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Well we got together at a show today and I took a few photos of the easterns. Jeff's hatchlings were in shed and no good photos were taken but here are some comparison shots of normal, albino, and green. Should be very interesting over the next bunch of years!

Albino vs Green Phase (Anery?)

Albino vs Normal

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Joe

Great looking animals, Joe. Your amel is coming along nicely, and those are the best pics of Jeff's green Monsters I've seen.

Re: the possible anerythrism in the Monster... There's a small patch of orange scales below your thumb in the photo. That says, quite strongly, that that particular animal isn't anerythistic. Oddly colored patches of scales often regrow in an area where an injury has healed, but if the animal was unable to produce orange/red pigment, they wouldn't be that color.

-Cole

Thanks Cole.

I didn't notice that patch until viewing the photo and wasn't sure if it might have been a reflection of some sort? It is a very large different looking eastern for sure, I like it a lot. There was definitely a difference in the two neonates I saw as well, red and no red (black/purplish), but they were just about to shed so no good photos.

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Joe

Cole, I see what you are saying with the scale. There are plenty of cases of "paradox" morphs, and easterns commonly have not only orange "healed wounds" but pale or white as well. I would suggest that the enzymes or T cells that replace damaged scales may have their own set of dna so normal rules may not apply...maybe. That big green one is wc, and I havent raised any "anerys" to breeding size yet(only 2 have been produced). I completely understand that the green/anery is just a theory til I do, but to me it seems like the simplest explanation of the appearance of both "anerys" and greens in the same population. The greens are different, and I cant see more than 1 morph popping up in a population so small.....
That said, there is a HUGE difference between the pics Joe took and the ones I posted....with my archaic 4MP camera. And I want to take a minute and thank and congratulate Joe again on the job he is doing with that albino. Any one of a thousand people could have found it, but the fact that Joe has basically picked up the hobby as a whole(in addition to his find)and taken the time to make it a family project with his kids...its something real nice to see. He definately gets my vote for rookie/newby of the year!!

I should have mentioned that they DO look exceptionally green in Joe's photos. Nice animals no matter what comes of the anery. trait. My fingers are crossed for you.

-Cole

Just awesome!! My favorite milks
Dances With Reptiles

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Regards,
Wayne A. Harvey

1.0.0 Ball Python - Python regius "Cane" Rescue
0.1.9 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (Eggs all hatched!)
1.3.13 Storeria dekayi Casper, Xena, Athena, Sharon & Kids
0.2.0 Thamnophis cyrtopsis Easter Black Neck Garter
1.1.0. Thamnophis elegans vagrans Wandering Garter
2.2.0 Thamnophis Sirtalis - Florida Blue stripe Garter
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
0.0.1 Thamnophis HybridAlbino Checkered Normal eastern
2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
1.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Snow Hets
0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.4 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.16 Thamnophis sirtalis - newborn Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.17 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided (R.I.P. little guy)
1.2.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue) 2 females recently aquired.
0.0.1 Nerodia sipedon - Water Snake - "Aqua" adult WC Pink eater!
0.1.0 Storeria occipitomaculata - Red Belly snake (Her children were raised & released)
0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Sub-adult CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Growing fast!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris" WC dropping eggs fast!
1.0.0. K9 "ACE" Black Cockapoo
0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
2.4.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

That amel Easter is easily my favorite morph of milk snake, great snake and still a great find.

dc

Man that albino is crazy looking.
You're lucky as hell.
lol.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com