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We would like your opinion on this not yet named morph.

Hope to prove this one out during the 09 season. Originally purchased as a female, probed female as a baby, but recently popped out some sperm plugs (still probes shallow). Nice surprise though as this one has been slow growing. Well he definitely has a lot going on, only time will tell. He does not have a yellow belly, more of a grayish hue.
One quick detail, the pictures show him more as brown, but he is darker (almost a black) and they also make him apprear higher contrast than he really is. Sorry for the so so pics.
Enjoy!

Thanks,
Nick & Austin

Well it looks like it could easily be genetic . Keep in mind that you can often times push things out of a female too, the girls also build up "musk" and it looks alot like a weak example of a sperm plug yet it isn't.. If it probes shallow then it still may be a girl, it would be very rare that a male would probe shallow if properly probed, to probe less than 5 scales in would likely indicate a female and not a shallow male,to have a male probe shallow on both sides sounds kinda wrong to me... Anthony McCain...

In other words I think it is more common to see a female probe deep than it is to see a male probe shallow.. Maybe that makes more sence for you! Most girls won't probe 5 or more deep but a few of them have , I've seen it before. On the other hand I have yet to see a male probe real shallow , if done properly I don't think they are shallow, at least not from what most people see.. Anthony McCain.

As of last night this one probed 6 scales deep on the right and 7 deep on the left (very shallow compared to our other males). When we first got it, 3 years ago, it only probed 3-4 deep on both sides. And we never thought to check again, until recently when we saw what appeared to be sperm plugs on the floor of its tub and one up on the side. So last night we popped it to check and out came the plugs. We then re-probed and got the above.

Thanks,
Nick & Austin

Ok Nick, that sounds deep enough for a male without much issue there.. Would think you could pop him and also start to see the purple areas indicating hemipenes too without much trouble . Either way that does sound like a male and in your case that's good news for you if he's not a good feeder anyway , he looks big enough to breed as a male, good luck with him this winter.. Anthony McCain.

I would not be too sure. I have several females that probe as deep as 7. All of my males are 10 plus. Like "popping" babies, you know when you have a male. If that shallow on both sides, I'd lean more towards a female. But like Anthony said... Just make sure your probes are not too large and well lubed. And you really don't need much pressure at all - gentle touch.

If a male (and old enough) you should be able to get fresh sperm plugs. Not that dried up stuff you sometimes see.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

throw it in with a girl see what happens......a few times....nothing?...then throw it in with a male and see what happens....

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Late last night I put it in with a female; don't know why I had not hought of that earlier.
Currently in with that female, I will be checking throughout the day.

Austin

So far not very definitive. . . will continue for a few days.

In with the female it was very active then, both were coiled up near eachother . No breeding activity.
In with male after about an hour it started moving around quite a bit, doing some tail wagging. No combating or outward aggression.
It is back in w/ the female.

-Update when I know something worth knowing.

Austin

I have a group of animals that look lidentical to that animal. They were hatched from a W/C female that we got in from africa a number of years back. The clutch was 1.4 identical to that animal. We have yet been able to get the mother to breed sucessfully since that season but have high hopes for this year. The 3 females we have all bred last year but did not produce. We are hoping they will all breed this season and we will finally be able to prove their genetic a little bit further.
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I have a ch male that I bought from John Berry that looks similar and also has a greyish, kind of sooty, belly. Your snake looks kind of like a super chocolate.

I have seen a super choc and I would have to say it does not have that look to it. Somewhat similar, but different.

I guess this one is not as original as I thought. LOL! As long as they are genetic I will be happy. They are nice looking!

Nick & Austin

Here's my boy......I bred him back in 06, and have been raising his offspring. He IS genetic, but not like we would have hoped. He is the super, and the hets are visual......dark, and kind of hazy. Not a chocolate! He's something different.......and I have big plans for him! I can't wait to put him in a lavender albino!

Brandon Boeke
Priceless Pythons

Brandon,
I will be watching for that !
Toni

We had an imported ball similar to yours in 04 (pictured). This one we have now is not the same as it. I think we have 2 different balls here, but they both carrying the Granite trait. Maybe there is some other similar genetics going on between them, but only time will tell.
Maybe they will be like the Cinnamon Pastel and Black Pastel, as far as similarity yet different morphs.

Nice looking guy! Those would make for an awesome Lav cross.

Nick & Austin

Cheers Brandon!
For some reason I really like "Freckles"....

One more year buddy!

Alan

you got plugs but no penes...?...

...maybe female gland gook and not plugs?

......pop it again and probe it again.......

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OK just probed again. 6 deep/ 8 deep on both sides, smoothly. A little deeper this time.
I have probed and popped many a snake, but this one just does not want to pop. Does not even show the begining of the vein. It does have a shorter tail than other males of similar size, but has bigger spures than females of than size. And the 'sperm plugs' look like sperm plugs not the normal mush out of a female. I will get a pic of one of the 'plugs' and post it.

Nick & Austin

>>We would like your opinion on this not yet named morph.
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>>Hope to prove this one out during the 09 season. Originally purchased as a female, probed female as a baby, but recently popped out some sperm plugs (still probes shallow). Nice surprise though as this one has been slow growing. Well he definitely has a lot going on, only time will tell. He does not have a yellow belly, more of a grayish hue.
>>One quick detail, the pictures show him more as brown, but he is darker (almost a black) and they also make him apprear higher contrast than he really is. Sorry for the so so pics.
>>Enjoy!
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>>Thanks,
>>Nick & Austin
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Here are a couple of mine that look similar to yours.

Neat looking BP's

Steve