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Wednesday October 15th, 8:55PM

After much waiting and anticipation, Minnie is finally delivering her litter. I knew it'd be soon, as she's been restless for the last two days.

So far I see at least 8 babies and 1 slug but can't get a clear look and I think she's still got a fair amount still in her.

I do see some very light colored babies - as expected, hypo's and het hypos!!!

Will post later with more details...
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Oooh, oooh, which one's mine?!?

Go Minnie!
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Julie
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The third one on the left, or was that the bathroom tree?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Dave,
...Hoping she has lots of hypos in the litter. It seems like there have not been many hypos produced so far this year.
Jeff

>>Wednesday October 15th, 8:55PM
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>>After much waiting and anticipation, Minnie is finally delivering her litter. I knew it'd be soon, as she's been restless for the last two days.
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>>So far I see at least 8 babies and 1 slug but can't get a clear look and I think she's still got a fair amount still in her.
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>>I do see some very light colored babies - as expected, hypo's and het hypos!!!
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>>Will post later with more details...
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>26.49 BRB
>>20.21 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Looks like several hypos, there is a clump of four Hypo's out front, I do see some in the back that are hets. Of course harder to tell still in the sack and all slimey.

So far 11 babies and three slugs.

On a side note, #12 was a slug, #13 was a baby, #14 was another slug.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Congrats Dave!
how can you tell whether or not the baby is a 100% het for hypo, 66% Het 50% Het or normal baby?
im pretty sure anyone can tell a hypo
but yeah! i was always curious as to how i could tell by looking
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1.0 of Me
0.1 girlfriend man is she a pretty one
1.3 Brazilian rainbow Boas
?.? Baby Brazilian rainbow boas
0.1 Australian blue Heeler puppy 1 year old.
TOO.MANY hours of school and work a week
NOT.ENOUGH money in the bank

You don't need to look - you just need to know what the parents are. Dave bred a hypo (2x hypo gene, visually hypo) to a het hypo (1x hypo gene, not visually hypo). Roughly 50% of the babies will be visually hypo, the other 50% will be het hypo. This is because all the babies get at least one hypo gene from their full hypo parent. The 50/50 chance comes from the parent who has one hypo and one normal gene.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

Forgot to explain the 66% and 50% hets, my apologies. You'd get 50% hets from normal X het hypo parents. They all get a normal gene from one parent, and 50/50 chance between normal and hypo from the other, thus 50% chance of het hypo.

66% comes from het hypo X het hypo. You get 25% hypos, 50% hets, and 25% normals. Because normals look just like hets, all the normal looking ones are considered to be 66% possibility of being het hypo.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

ooooooooooooooooooohhhh that makes much more sense haha
i appreciate the info!
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1.0 of Me
0.1 girlfriend man is she a pretty one
1.3 Brazilian rainbow Boas
?.? Baby Brazilian rainbow boas
0.1 Australian blue Heeler puppy 1 year old.
TOO.MANY hours of school and work a week
NOT.ENOUGH money in the bank

I'm always happy when I find a question on here that I can actually answer - so far I don't have any BRBs of my own to share pics of, so any time I can actually contribute something useful to the conversation, I'm a happy man.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

you can't tell by looking, the percentages are determined by the genetics of the parents....

Hypo bred to anything - non-hypo looking babies are hets (100%)

Het bred to het - litter is 1/4 hypo, 2/4 hets and 1/4 non hets
you can't tell between the hets and normals, you can take out the hypos leaving 3/4 of the litter of which 2 out of three are hets or 66%

Het bred to normal - all normal looking babies half are hets or 50%
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

aahhh thats good to know
Also, sorry i ask alot of questions :X
what happens if you breed an anery with a hypo
do you get a ghost?

or hypo with hypo do you get like super hypos?

and how does a snow come about?
ive tried looking around but can not find this info anywhere to save my life!
so i resorted to the experts
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1.0 of Me
0.1 girlfriend man is she a pretty one
1.3 Brazilian rainbow Boas
?.? Baby Brazilian rainbow boas
0.1 Australian blue Heeler puppy 1 year old.
TOO.MANY hours of school and work a week
NOT.ENOUGH money in the bank

I'm not 100% on whether ghost means anery hypo, but if it does, the following would apply:

I don't know whether anery is dominant or recessive in BRBs, so I'll explain it both possible ways:

If anery is dominant, then breeding an anery to a hypo would get 50% anery het hypo and 50% het hypo. You'd then have to breed the anery het hypos back to a hypo to get ghosts.

If anery is recessive, then you need to do 2 generations of breedings to get there from starting with one anery and one hypo snake. Basically you need it to be possible for both parents to provide both mutant genes. If you start with anery X hypo, the babies would all be het anery het hypo. You could then breed those offspring to each other and have a 1 in 16 chance of producing ghosts (You would of course get some hypo het anery, some anery het hypo, etc, as well, but I don't recall exactly how the percentages work out.)

Hypo X hypo = 100% of offspring will be hypo. There is no super hypo because it's a recessive gene - supers happen with morphs based on codominant genes (ivory is the super form of yellow belly in ball pythons, for example).

Unfortunately, I don't know how snow happens - presumably someone more knowledgeable than me will eventually come along and explain that one and/or correct any errors I've made in this post.
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0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko - Tigger
0.1 Crested Gecko - Pooh-Bear

Quick way to work out the odds, treat each trait seperately...

Yes Anery is recessive in BRB...

So Anery x Hypo = het anery, het hypo or DH (double het) Ghosts.

Breeding DH Ghosts back to one another would result in....

Anery = 1/4 of the litter
Hypo = 1/4 of the litter

Both = 1/4 x 1/4 or 1/16
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

For BRB's both Hypo and Anery are recessive traits meaning you need two genes present to see the trait. A Hypo bred to a Anery results in double het Ghosts.

Hypo x Hypo results in a litter of Hypos. (since in BRB Hypo is recessive) In other species like Boa constrictor the hypo trait is dominant or stronger than the normal gene and ony requires one gene for the trait to show, that's where super comes to play when there can be one or two of the dominant genes and you can't reliably tell them apart.

Snow is Albino plus Anery
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

The anery x hypo question hasnt been answered yet. In public anyway. The mode of inheritance for "anery" hasnt been proven out in BRBs yet.

Hypo x hypo doesnt make supers, it just makes a bunch of hypos.

Mike Lockwood wrote up a good read on the history of hypo:
http://www.tooscaley.com/reptiles/BrazilianRainbowBoas/Hypomelanistic Lineage.html
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Julie
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big congrats dave, cant wait to see the pics, and you definetely hit the nail on the head with those odds!!! perfect
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
1.1 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
1.1 something special BRB

aims to work out what all my 66% hets really are, and then go from there. Sky the limit, well maybe

Appears to be done at 11 babies and three slugs and I see some clear hypos, some that look normal and some I dunno. Part of it is the just born lack of color even in the normals.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Congrats! Great "small" litter she was hiding in there!
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Julie
www.[url ban]/gfx

Thanks, for a while I didn't even think she was gravid so is definitely a "bonus" litter.

BTW, looks like 5 hypo and 5 hets and one more I think is hypo but not sure...
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

got em all cleaned up, sorted, sexed and put away. Phew, I'm supposed to be cleaning the rodent factory, gonna be a late night, I'll process and post the pics tomorrow (later today since it's 12:20)

11 total babies
3 slugs

Born at POS + 124

4.2 Hypos
0.5 Hets (yes, I sexed em three times)

Weights -

26 grams - 4
27 grams - 1
28 grams - 3
29 grams - 3

Unless somebody is hiding something, that'll be my last 2008 litter.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I bet you have even more hold-backs now.

Anyway those are awesome stats on the mainly male hypo's and all females for hets- Congrats!
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Mike

7.13 BRB
1.2 Spotted Python
1.0 Cal. King

great job on the babies dave!
when you get them a little older what do you think you will be selling the hypos at?
if i can manage to rack up enough money i want one
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1.0 of Me
0.1 girlfriend man is she a pretty one
1.3 Brazilian rainbow Boas
?.? Baby Brazilian rainbow boas
0.1 Australian blue Heeler puppy 1 year old.
TOO.MANY hours of school and work a week
NOT.ENOUGH money in the bank

Ooouuuu, lookie what I see

Baby birthing sequence

The lil ones love to yawn, waking up from their long nap??

They also love to chill in the sacks with "periscope up"

Last baby being born

And last to come out was slug #3

All the babies in a tub, I put them in a sweaterbox tub with damp paper towels and they crawl around and get themselves all cleaned up for me


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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

nice nice, cant wait to see the post shed pics
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Dave

2.2 Normal BRBs
2.1 Anery BRB
4.4 66% poss het anery BRB
2.5 66% poss het new european line hypo
2.2 het hypo BRB

In the mail from the states
- the entire contents of my credit card

That makes two of us, funny there is not a great difference between the hypos and hets right out of the sack. In person you can tell em apart.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Congrats on another very nice litter!!

Dan

Thanks Dan, that sticks a fork in it for me, 2008 is done!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Congratulations dave!

great pictures

keep them comming

Thanks Youval,

You knmow I'll keep the pics coming, next event is the first shed. Of course there may be some BCI breeding pics thrown in here and there
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Awww...tiny cute little critters. Congrats!
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Julie
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Congrats Dave!! You know which one of those I like.
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Aubrey Ross

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